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Old 01.09.2019, 14:35
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Of course if guns weren't so easily available then people wouldn't be able to use them to kill people.

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Of course if guns weren't so easily available then people wouldn't be able to use them to kill people.
Why are they so easily available? Why aren't they prohibited entirely? Isn't a bit ridiculous that they are permitted and then everyone is sad when people are killed with them, yet at the same time no one actually does anything about the source of the problem.
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Old 01.09.2019, 15:21
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Why are they so easily available? Why aren't they prohibited entirely? Isn't a bit ridiculous that they are permitted and then everyone is sad when people are killed with them, yet at the same time no one actually does anything about the source of the problem.

Well, there are a lot of guns out there (in the US specifically and also elsewhere).
The problem isn't going away just because you sign a law into action.
How would you collect the (estimated) 300 million guns in the US, a country that knows no mandatory registration ("Meldepflicht") and where maybe 30% of the people actually have a passport?

I mean, look at the crime-statistics: all kinds of crime happen, despite the fact that every single one of them is not "permitted".
The people going postal don't really put much thought into the legal side of their killing-spree, usually.

Maybe it's a bit like the war on drugs. Did being "tough against drugs" really help solving the problem?

The sad truth is that these shooting-incidents are just the most obvious of a number of symptoms of much more serious problems in the US society as a whole. If you had no shootings, the problems would rear their ugly heads somewhere else.
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Old 01.09.2019, 15:24
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Well, there are a lot of guns out there (in the US specifically and also elsewhere).
The problem isn't going away just because you sign a law into action.
How would you collect the (estimated) 300 million guns in the US, a country that knows no mandatory registration ("Meldepflicht") and where maybe 30% of the people actually have a passport?
No but it would be a start. The problem would be reduced. Anything is better than doing absolutely nothing.

Many guns would be handed in if the law changed.
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Old 01.09.2019, 15:51
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No but it would be a start. The problem would be reduced. Anything is better than doing absolutely nothing.

Many guns would be handed in if the law changed.
Yes, but mostly from people who would never go postal and who had handled them with utmost safety already (always in a gun-cabinet or gun-safe, never laying around etc.pp.).

As I said, the guns are just a symptom. Granted, the US isn't doing anything about the root-causes either. But at least in this single instance, they aren't wasting too many resourcing going after the symptoms either ;-)
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Old 01.09.2019, 19:43
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Old 01.09.2019, 19:56
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In between mass shootings, Texas has enacted new gun laws today that..

..reduce restrictions on gun ownership, and remove the rights of schools, foster homes, apartment owners and religious buildings to prevent guns being carried or stored.

For sure this makes sense for Texas, home to 4 of the top 10 worst US mass shootings. More good guys carrying guns is of course the solution.
Brilliant, just brilliant Texas.
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Old 01.09.2019, 20:54
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Why are they so easily available? Why aren't they prohibited entirely? Isn't a bit ridiculous that they are permitted and then everyone is sad when people are killed with them, yet at the same time no one actually does anything about the source of the problem.
Answer to first question: Americans LOVE their guns. It's huge business. If you search the statistics of sales of guns after a mass shooting, they go through the roof because people are afraid the gubmint is going to take away their guns.

Answer to second question: Have a read of the 2nd amendment of the U.S. Constitution. If you want a lively debate, there's this thread:
https://www.englishforum.ch/internat...nt-thread.html

Reply to third statement: yup, it's ridiculous
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Old 01.09.2019, 21:05
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And don‘t forget that the NRA owns lots of Congress creatures. The gun lobby is strong.
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Old 02.09.2019, 07:34
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Yes, but mostly from people who would never go postal and who had handled them with utmost safety already (always in a gun-cabinet or gun-safe, never laying around etc.pp.).
Agreed. But again you said 'mostly', because of course there are cases where people steal guns to use in a shooting. If those guns had have already been handed in, the shooting may have been preventable. Whether a gun is locked in a cabiner or not, in the end is irrelevant. It's still out there waiting to be stolen and used.
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Old 02.09.2019, 08:27
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Well maybe its like this in the USA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=452XjnaHr1A
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Old 02.09.2019, 08:42
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Answer to first question: Americans LOVE their guns. It's huge business. If you search the statistics of sales of guns after a mass shooting, they go through the roof because people are afraid the gubmint is going to take away their guns.

Answer to second question: Have a read of the 2nd amendment of the U.S. Constitution. If you want a lively debate, there's this thread:
https://www.englishforum.ch/internat...nt-thread.html

Reply to third statement: yup, it's ridiculous
I can understand this mass hysteria but IMHO a gun gives you a false sense of security, if you would have to use it in self-defense situations you would probably make things worse or even hurt yourself.
Other than living in an area where you can be attacked by wild animals I don't see any reasons for carrying a gun. I don't have the stats but I have the intuition that in the extreme cases of armed robberies or burglaries owning a gun in the house had 0 impact on the course of said assaults. Again, it's just a false sense of security.
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Old 02.09.2019, 08:48
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I can understand this mass hysteria but IMHO a gun gives you a false sense of security, if you would have to use it in self-defense situations you would probably make things worse or even hurt yourself.
Other than living in an area where you can be attacked by wild animals I don't see any reasons for carrying a gun. I don't have the stats but I have the intuition that in the extreme cases of armed robberies or burglaries owning a gun in the house had 0 impact on the course of said assaults. Again, it's just a false sense of security.
"Wild animals"-thats everwhere in USA cities
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Old 02.09.2019, 09:50
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living in an area where you can be attacked by wild animals.
That would be most of the US.

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Old 02.09.2019, 13:03
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"Wild animals"-thats everwhere in USA cities
Do you think carrying a gun helps?

Again, it's just a false sense of security.
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Old 02.09.2019, 14:33
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Do you think carrying a gun helps?

Again, it's just a false sense of security.
If it was a false sense of security, cops wouldn't carry them.

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Old 02.09.2019, 15:05
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If it was a false sense of security, cops wouldn't carry them.

Tom



Cops can aim, shoot and exercise shooting. A lot. Stress-situations, too.


Civilians rarely do that.




It's one thing to hit a target on a shooting range. Keeping your calm in a combat-situation with a live shooter (where you often even do not know if it's not multiple shooters, due to people reporting gunshots from where ever they are, resulting in numerous false-positives) is something completely different.



It's IMO not inconceivable that as more people pack heat, there will be incidents where people start shooting at other people who drew their guns in response to hearing shots fired (who in return think their opponent is the shooter).


Police are not enthusiastic about this development. They want less guns, too. Who could blame them?


Large-scale gun-ownership only works in an economically and socially stable society where the inhabitants aren't total morons.
Switzerland is (maybe) such a country. The US of A ain't. And wouldn't be for a good while even if it started a transition right now.
Still too many nutcases running around freely.
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The gun laws in America were put into place when guns were single shot guns and had to be re-loaded each time, possibly you coiuld claim when inaccurate 6 shot revolvers were about too.


Today with fully automatic, large capacity magazines, bump stocks and whatever else, the law is not fit for purpose quite simply.


It is a law made in bygone times for a completely different world and technology of today.
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If it was a false sense of security, cops wouldn't carry them.

Tom
Can you imagine. All these people with guns pretending to be cops!!
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Old 02.09.2019, 15:54
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Cops can aim, shoot and exercise shooting. A lot. Stress-situations, too.

Civilians rarely do that.

It's one thing to hit a target on a shooting range. Keeping your calm in a combat-situation with a live shooter (where you often even do not know if it's not multiple shooters, due to people reporting gunshots from where ever they are, resulting in numerous false-positives) is something completely different.

It's IMO not inconceivable that as more people pack heat, there will be incidents where people start shooting at other people who drew their guns in response to hearing shots fired (who in return think their opponent is the shooter).

Police are not enthusiastic about this development. They want less guns, too. Who could blame them?

Large-scale gun-ownership only works in an economically and socially stable society where the inhabitants aren't total morons.
Switzerland is (maybe) such a country. The US of A ain't. And wouldn't be for a good while even if it started a transition right now.
Still too many nutcases running around freely.
Not inconceivable! In the past year;
NY plain clothes detective, Brian Simonsen, 42, a 19-year veteran, was shot in the chest by fellow officers responding to an armed robbery call when Simonsen emerged from the shop gun in hand!

Maryland plain clothes Det. Jacai Colson was shot by police officers during a shoot out near the police station.

Chicago security guard Jemel Roberson had a drunken shooter on the ground with his gun in his back when the police shot him.

Plain clothes gun carrying mall security guard, Emantic Bradford Jr, was killed by a police officer on Thanksgiving at a mall in Alabama, during investigation of a suspected mass shooting.
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