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View Poll Results: What OS runs on your PCs (both home and work)? (select all that apply)
Microsoft Windows 33 76.74%
Apple OS X 13 30.23%
Linux (Ubuntu or some other Linux distro) 17 39.53%
other (please specify) 3 6.98%
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Old 22.11.2012, 12:28
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Re: What runs on your PCs? (Windows, Apple OS X, Linux)

Some things no longer work when upgrading Ubuntu. Currently running 12.04 LTS on three machines and plan to stay there for a while.

I also use VirtualBox for running XP for the programs that I need to run under Windows, works very well.

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Old 22.11.2012, 12:39
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Re: What runs on your PCs? (Windows, Apple OS X, Linux)

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why are you saying that "upgrading" is a bad idea?

Would it be better to "reinstall" the new release?
Good morning.

So, first of all, let's point the differences between "upgrading" and "clean installing":
  • Upgrading: you point APT to the newer repositories and tell it to download everything (could be even 2-3GB of data).
  • Clean install: what the name suggests -> download the 700MB .iso, burn it on a CD or USB stick and re-install the system.
Why is "upgrading" a bad option, in my opinion: [most of these points are also mentioned in the Linux Mint community]
  1. Not reliable - You are not installing a new system, but just downloading newer and different packages, that will (in some areas) co-exist with the newer ones. It all depends on what you have installed so far. You might end up having a "mixed" system, which does not feel at all like a brand new one.
  2. I once tried to upgrade Linux Mint 7 Gloria to Linux Mint 8 Helena, back in November 2009 and the result was really disappointing. When I reinstalled the system, it worked like a charm. So, bottom line, it's not guaranteed that everything will work.
  3. It's a much slower procedure to upgrade - you need to get 2-3GB of packages, while a 700MB .iso will do the work if you decide to clean-install.
  4. Conflicting dependencies between older and newer packets: something might break, as st2lemans also pointed out.
  5. Since you are "upgrading", you may be tempted not to backup your data. Well, you never know...
That's something I really liked on Linux Mint: that the community insists on performing a clean install, contrary to the ubuntu community, which supports "upgrading".

This is no problem with rolling distros, by the way, such as Debian Testing. You constantly receive updates, even the whole new version of KDE, but all pieces [usually] fall smoothly into place.

Now, a valid argument against clean installing would be that you have to backup your home. True, but you can circumnavigate that if you keep a separate partition for /home. That is, you have a small (say 20GB) partition for the root system / and a bigger one for the /home partition. You may specify the partitioning either during installing or you may partition and move your home afterwards, as well. You just appropriately configure the /etc/fstab file and you won't notice a single difference.

The biggest advantage of this, is that when you want to perform a clean install, you just wipe out your root partition. The /home partition stays intact and you do not have to touch anything. Let alone that most configurations (.mozilla, .Skype, .purple) will also stay, thus you won't have to reconfigure everything again. You might have to reapply some configurations (say, the shortcuts or the colors in your terminal) but that's way far from reconfiguring everything. And that's very flexible. E.g., earlier this year some packages had broken in my debian testing and I couldn't set up the X server - I just reinstalled the system, it was much quicker.

If you need any additional clarifications / tips / anything, just post here.


PS: to install debian testing you don't even need an .iso. You just get a windows installer from goodbye-microsoft, restart and an installer will come up where you will be able to partition your system, etc. This is *not* like wubi, where you have linux and windows on the same NTFS partition. It just saves you the trouble of burning a CD or setting up a bootable USB stick.
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Old 22.11.2012, 13:11
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Re: What runs on your PCs? (Windows, Apple OS X, Linux)

Good "morning" to you too,

Thank you for your detailed answer.

Basically, I was not sure I understood what you meant, but now it's clear.

I have ubuntu 10.04 on a relatively old machine and from what I've read, the newer releases may be to greedy in resources. So I want to stick with 10.04 for now.

But as you mentioned, I am getting some inconsistency and my system seem to become a little unstable.

So, re-installing may be the thing to do.

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Good morning.

So, first of all, let's point the differences between "upgrading" and "clean installing":
  • Upgrading: you point APT to the newer repositories and tell it to download everything (could be even 2-3GB of data).
  • Clean install: what the name suggests -> download the 700MB .iso, burn it on a CD or USB stick and re-install the system.
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