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rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto.

In the greatest secrecy, researchers at the University of Caen followed for two years a group of rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto. Huge tumors occurred.





the article in french http://www.tdg.ch/savoirs/sciences/e...story/24423274



This is strange but I'm not surprised....
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Re: rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto.

See those three photos and your post?

That's proper science, that is.

GM = Fat Neck Cancer. Fact. Let's forget all that "feed the world" shite
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In the greatest secrecy, researchers at the University of Caen followed for two years a group of rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto. Huge tumors occurred.

the article in french http://www.tdg.ch/savoirs/sciences/e...story/24423274

This is strange but I'm not surprised....
What's annoying is that the article is happy to make headline quotes, without clearly specifying that those alarming numbers were the result of using feed treated with pesticides, not just GM corn. The full figures aren't quoted there, but it sounds like poor journalism, to present the results out of context and lead to a false conclusion by the reader.

The experiment combined the GM feed with pesticides in varying proportions, and I think to be meaningful we'd need to see each group's results independently, compared with the control. From that article it's impossible to draw any firm conclusions.
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Old 19.09.2012, 16:43
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Re: rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto.

Publish and be damned... or not... hard to say really.
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Old 19.09.2012, 16:45
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Re: rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto.

It's the Glyphosate-based Roundup weed-killer that causes the cancer and not the GM crops.

The GMing of the crops makes them roundup resistance so more can be used.

The crops and the Roundup are from our American friends Monsanto.
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Re: rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto.

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It's the Glyphosate-based Roundup weed-killer that causes the cancer and not the GM crops.

The GMing of the crops makes them roundup resistance so more can be used.

The crops and the Roundup are from our American friends Monsanto.
No no no. Tom. You've been brain washed. We all know that Franki... sorry GM crops are the root of all wevils.

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Re: rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto.

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If I understand correctly what you wrote, it's not what they did.

Three groups were made. First was fed with Ogm corn only, Second with Ogm corn treated with Roundup and Third with corn treated with Roundup.

le premier a été nourri avec un maïs OGM NK603 seul, le second avec ce maïs OGM traité au Roundup, herbicide le plus utilisé au monde, et le troisième avec du maïs non OGM traité avec cet herbicide


But of course my mind is distorted : I truly believe GM are devil and we will pay the price if we use them to feed the world.

There's enough to feed everybody, it's just a question of choice (understand money).
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Re: rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto.

So what is the conclusion? All 3 rats in the 3 photos above seem to be ill, so it seems rats get cancer when fed herbicides.

Note: I disaprove of GMO. We should concebtrate on family planning.
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If I understand correctly what you wrote, it's not what they did.

Three groups were made. First was fed with Ogm corn only, Second with Ogm corn treated with Roundup and Third with corn treated with Roundup.
Sorry, I misread that, but the point I was making is still valid - that the article doesn't clearly state which group the highlighted findings were found in.
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But of course my mind is distorted : I truly believe GM are devil and we will pay the price if we use them to feed the world.
Oh well, not much point starting a discussion then, was there?
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But of course my mind is distorted : I truly believe GM are devil and we will pay the price if we use them to feed the world.

There's enough to feed everybody, it's just a question of choice (understand money).
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Note: I disaprove of GMO. We should concebtrate on family planning.
Was Norman Borlaug the "devil" also? He was the man who won the Nobel Peace prize for his work on producing dwarf wheat. He is credited with turning Mexico, Pakistan and India into net exporters of grains, increasing yields from 500kg / ha to 2500 kg / ha - increasing wealth and life expectancy in those countries. This was done using genetic cross breeding, not GMO - but where is the line crossed?

If I find a gene in a variety of wheat that I want to replicate - if I take that out and embed it in the new variety using GMO, you think that is wrong, correct? But if I take ten years of cross breeding until the stars line up and that same gene appears through breeding - you think that is ok? So I get the same result, but take ten years longer!

I think Borlaug should be as famous as Einstein, Darwin, Fleming or Pasteur, but he isn't widely known. He said

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Amen to that
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Tschhuh... all so naive... honestly, we're in Switzerland not Washington or Brussels.

But yeah, I too was going to make the point that anyone who is anti-GM should stop eating, as pretty much every modern food item is based on genetic breeding programmes to improve yield, increase resitance to pests, decrease water needs etc. etc.

I guess the exception would be wild animals and berries picked from the forest, where these hippyfolk should fit in well.

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Re: rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto.

Maybe I should write I disaprove of Monsanto, genectic modification per see, is OK with me. I don't like the idea of needing heavy herbicides, when crop rotation has worked well for a hundred years.

http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/Pa...od-safety.aspx

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...88I0L020120919
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Re: rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto.

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Was Norman Borlaug the "devil" also? He was the man who won the Nobel Peace prize for his work on producing dwarf wheat. He is credited with turning Mexico, Pakistan and India into net exporters of grains, increasing yields from 500kg / ha to 2500 kg / ha - increasing wealth and life expectancy in those countries. This was done using genetic cross breeding, not GMO
sounds to me like proof that such results can be achieved without GM. Exactly what the GM industry is in denial over.

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- but where is the line crossed?

If I find a gene in a variety of wheat that I want to replicate - if I take that out and embed it in the new variety using GMO, you think that is wrong, correct? But if I take ten years of cross breeding until the stars line up and that same gene appears through breeding - you think that is ok? So I get the same result, but take ten years longer!
There are many differences. One of them is that you can't as easily patent a hybrid that you cross-bred yourself. Can you cross-breed a marker gene into your seeds without GM? And if you can, will a court of law listen to you when you tell them somebody else's seed has the same marker gene and therefore they must have stolen yours? Another reason is that with the longer breeding phase you are more lilkely to notice some negative properties. Natural ecosystems act in respond in ways that are far more complex than we can imagine and a suden roll out of a new variant can have unwanted and unexpected consequences. If you take more time you can catch that sooner.
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Re: rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto.

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It's an interesting argument to compare tractors and irrigation systems to GM seeds.

Especially seeing aid organsiations have been criticised for donating tractors to third world farmers only to try and sell them into expensive service contracts with the result that broken equipment was left to rust because farmers could't afford the costs.
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Was Norman Borlaug the "devil" also? He was the man who won the Nobel Peace prize for his work on producing dwarf wheat. He is credited with turning Mexico, Pakistan and India into net exporters of grains, increasing yields from 500kg / ha to 2500 kg / ha - increasing wealth and life expectancy in those countries. This was done using genetic cross breeding, not GMO - but where is the line crossed?
As you said, it's not GMO. Didn't know him, so thank you for the information.
Seems he's one of the many people who made progress the science in the good way, but were forgotten...
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As you said, it's not GMO. Didn't know him, so thank you for the information.
Seems he's one of the many people who made progress the science in the good way, but were forgotten...
You ignored my question about why GMO is different though...?
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You ignored my question about why GMO is different though...?
yeah, right. Sorry.

but it's a different kind of GMO in this case, taking stuff from wheat to wheat, not adding something coming another species, if you see what I mean.
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yeah, right. Sorry.

but it's a different kind of GMO in this case, taking stuff from wheat to wheat, not adding something coming another species, if you see what I mean.
Ah, OK. Good argument. I'm now convinced. So as long as they don't add elephant to pumpkins, GMO is ok.
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Ah, OK. Good argument. I'm now convinced. So as long as they don't add elephant to pumpkins, GMO is ok.
I actually don't know what to answer to such thing.
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Re: rats fed with GMO giant corn from Monsanto.

Even Mike Adams has jumped all over this... just saw that horrible photo again on my facebook wall. Here's his article:

http://naturalnews.com/037249_GMO_st...an_damage.html
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