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Old 26.09.2012, 18:46
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Re: grammar question (English)

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Recently I've heard people say "First of all...., and second of all...."

How can something be "second of all"? Surely it's simply "second" or "secondly"? Second of all would surely be "first", wouldn't it? So you'd have to say "second of the rest" but that would still be technically wrong. It's something I'd never heard of until the last couple of years or so but I seem to hear it almost on a daily basis now.

To my English ears, it just sounds wrong. Or maybe I just need a bar of choccy right now.

ooh ooh, I do that...is it wrong? I don't have a problem with things that are wrong, but possibly colloquial - such as y'all, although I am not a big fan of ain't....

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You should have some choccy, I really don't think any of this is worth worrying about.
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Old 26.09.2012, 18:57
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I never really noticed this but I'm surprised it hurts your English ears, if there's a group of things, they're "all", why can't there be a first, second and last of all?
It just sounds wrong. The "first of all" implies that you will get round to the following points, so the "of all" adds something to it. "Second of all" just doesn't benefit from it. At all.

Other grating expressions include:
Anyways - with the added 's'.
I could care less - couldn't care less.
Upcoming - forthcoming .
Co-worker - colleague. (Famously lampooned as cow-orker, originally in Dilbert, IIRC).

And many, many more.
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Old 26.09.2012, 19:02
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There's the "would have" phrase discussed a few times in this thread that some people hate. To my eyes, smoky appears to use the phrase correctly. Makes me think - why should one avoid using "would have" or "could have"? Is there a better phrase?
Depends on context. The earlier assertion that it should, and can, be avoided should only apply to certain specific usages; as a past conditional tense it's perfectly valid, as in "If I had studied English Language I would have been better able to express myself". (One place) where it's 'wrong' is to use it in the first part of such a sentence, for example "if I would have studied".
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Old 26.09.2012, 19:12
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Re: grammar question (English)

If you think English grammar is fickle, try Latin ....

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Old 26.09.2012, 19:21
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Re: grammar question (English)

My issues with ESL English here (mostly from people who are considered fluent in English):

Can you borrow me some money for lunch.

Bowling was funny last night

How about we make party at my place

It is sunny, lets sit in the shadow

-I'll add more as I remember them. (not always incorrect, but awkward for my ears).
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Old 26.09.2012, 19:40
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Re: grammar question (English)

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It just sounds wrong. The "first of all" implies that you will get round to the following points, so the "of all" adds something to it. "Second of all" just doesn't benefit from it. At all.

Other grating expressions include:
Anyways - with the added 's'.
I could care less - couldn't care less.
Upcoming - forthcoming .
Co-worker - colleague. (Famously lampooned as cow-orker, originally in Dilbert, IIRC).

And many, many more.

OK, maybe anyways isn't correct, but I use that at least once in every e-mail I write!

What is wrong with co-worker or upcoming. I don't think an American would ever say forthcoming. Just isn't done. So perhaps you just don't like Americans...but I couldn't care less
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Old 26.09.2012, 19:43
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If you think English grammar is fickle, try Latin ....

Oooh, haven't watched that in ages... and I've got an evening home alone...
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Horrifyingly, my best friend (an English teacher) constantly writes the wrong "your/you're" and "there/their/they're" on Facebook. I correct her every time. She really should know given her career choice.
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Re: grammar question (English)

"irregardless". that word absolutely drives me bonkers.



clunky syntax or out-of-context words in English doesn't bother me at all when it comes from non-native speakers, especially considering the fact that my Swiss German syntax is absolutely atrocious and I am always afraid of using a word out of context in a totally horrific way. the worst example of this was a text message that I sent out using a word that sounds like "footsie" and spelled it "fotze" (the 2 words have vastly different meanings).
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Re: grammar question (English)

I used to be a bit of a grammar nazi, but when I arrived here and worked with large numbers of native German speakers who consistently make really irritating mistakes, I've stopped caring about mostly correct English. Now I have to log onto my online banking to reverse a payment. I was told to pay a bill until Friday, so in a couple of days I can get my money back.
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I never really noticed this but I'm surprised it hurts your English ears, if there's a group of things, they're "all", why can't there be a first, second and last of all?
There can be a "first of all" and a "last of all" but how can you have a "second of all"?
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Re: grammar question (English)

I thought somebody would have said something about its and it's.
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Old 26.12.2012, 18:33
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Re: grammar question (English)

Having time on my hands...
I recently went to a lecture on linguistics by Professor David Crystal and have since been checking his Blog. Surprising how many things I thought were incorrect grammatically are, in fact acceptable, Check it out guys. He has also written some very readable books if anyone fancies increasing their knowledge or understanding of the way English is put together.
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