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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

Wasn't Hitler a vegan?
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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

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Wasn't Hitler a vegan?
Aahh .. good old Godwin's Law
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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

I'm a bit disappointed in this thread actually - a lot of links to information (which seem to be somewhat self aggrandizing actually) but very little actual information.

You see, I am contemplating looking for a nutritionist / dietitian who knows how to cook , and meanwhile looking toward changing some of the recipes I use, and the balance of food that I eat.

Meat here is expensive, we know that - I've also shared before that I have problems eating fats, but it isn't only animal fats, it is fats from nuts as well (before my gall bladder was removed, I had an episode from munching on mixed nuts). Of course, now that it's out, I don't have pain that makes me wish for death anymore, but I still avoid eating too much fat because the aftermath is really... not polite for mixed company.

I also have "oral allergy syndrome" though, which means that anything in the same protein family as the trees and grasses that set off my allergies also affect how it feels when I eat them, especially raw. (As example, I'm allergic to ragweed so eating cucumber, melons, avocado and bananas makes my mouth, throat and inner ears itch - but newly I am having trouble with some seed fruit such as apples and tomatoes as well as bell peppers and actual black pepper seasoning, and several other things which is linked to allergy to birch pollen. This is a new allergy for me, there is not much birch growing in Florida.)

So, while I'd like to eat a healthier diet, going toward including more meat is out is because of the expense - and going toward more veg is rough, because of the allergy issues. However, replacing sources for vital nutrients from meat, and "filling" veg to replace carbs, all while being as tasty as what I already know how to find and prepare, that is key.

And sadly, I didn't find that here.
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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

Preach, preach, preach. Unending strings of anecdote, exhortations to 'google XYZ', talking points and appeals to authority using 'celebrity status' - lather, rinse, repeat.

Past page 5 had to stop reading because the cycle of OP's discourse began to really, really annoy me. There are other studies than the pop-sci ones he quotes, just as there are other paths to wellness. His relentless cherrypicking of data and presentation of himself as some kind of possessor of greater medical knowledge really annoys me (reverse an allergy and type 2 diabetes, cure Lyme disease forsooth!)- show your MD or STFU.

Having looked into 'The China Study', I find it's one of few defending that viewpoint in the face of HUNDREDS against, and also doesn't take into account the current situation in China public health regarding milk, protein, obesity and osteoporosis, not does it account for the endemic environmental pollution in the Chinese hinterland.

Cole's notes for you: trad Chinese diet (Southeastern) contained 40% of recommended calcium intake, as well as being very low meat content. Osteoporosis is endemic in women over 70, as seen by their questionmark shaped figures and massive dowager's humps. They are generally healthier than in the West, regardless - if they lived to 70+ through what China's been through, they are tough old birds, and Chinese culture is much healthier in regards to keeping the elderly engaged and active.

As milk products have been introduced, heights have increased VERY noticeably. Obviously, it's too soon to learn anything about osteoporosis. That said, there are some terrible dietary and lifestyle issues that will kill off the youth far faster, but dollars to donuts it'll be obesity related.

Evangelicals are the same, regardless of what they are preaching - and in this case, I'm giving up. There's no point in trying to discuss anything with this guy, and since I won't be buying what he sells in any way, I'll leave him the to rest of you.

I don't have any vegan troll food, anyway.

I'll leave you all with this, though - for someone who's all about losing weight and staying healthy, and claiming so many fit and slim weightloss stories, he's carrying a pretty big tyre. [image taken from his own intro thread, so I'm not violating any kind of privacy]

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I'll leave you all with this, though - for someone who's all about losing weight and staying healthy, and claiming so many fit and slim weightloss stories, he's carrying a pretty big tyre. [image taken from his own intro thread, so I'm not violating any kind of privacy]


Nope, no good.

You're incorrectly assuming that the only way to be "healthy" is to be visibly perfectly thin. This is proven untrue. (Not that being obese is healthy necessarily, but "health at any size" is being more closely examined and more accurately determined these days)
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Nope, no good.

You're incorrectly assuming that the only way to be "healthy" is to be visibly perfectly thin. This is proven untrue. (Not that being obese is healthy necessarily, but "health at any size" is being more closely examined and more accurately determined these days)
No. Not at all. The OP said that his vegetarian diet would allow you to lose weight.

The most unhealthy shape for a male adult is a spare tyre of fat around the middle - it's an indication of possible future, avoidable health problems such as heart disease.

Not something to recommend.
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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

I really do dislike preachers who are in the minority.
How about do/eat what you want to do/eat and let the millions upon millions, upon millions of healthy, meat eating human beings (and animals) enjoy their food, without having to read about how bad everything is for them?

If you are going to preach how about simply, eat healthy and be active?
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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

I enjoy reading threads about what to eat and new excercise regimes because stuff like that interests me.

What I don't like about this particular thread is that the OP goes totally Gung-Ho because he has seen a movie and got all excited about it.
He seems to be preching "It's in the movie - so it is the real deal" which is not the case of course. I can think of dozens of movies where certain cases where described in a certain way in order to make a non-critical view of things.

I personally like the movie mentioned below a lot and I believe that eating Paleo is much better for us humans that eating vegan only - but I don't think that this particular movie is the undisputed truth and nothing but the truth.....amen.

Getting excited about stuff is fine. I do that too when I come across new and eye opening stuff. But behaving like an Herbalife diciple or Hamburger Manheimer sales guy on the loose because of a movie is over the top IMHO.

I am sorry if my message is not that clear. English is obvioulsly not my mother tongue.

One last comment. A lot of posters use the term a "balanced diet".

This makes no sense to me. Balanced in what respect? Weight, energy, color, temperature, texture, nutrition value, price....?

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One last comment. A lot of posters use the term a "balanced diet".

This makes no sense to me. Balanced in what respect? Weight, energy, color, temperature, texture, nutrition value, price....?
Generally, when talking about food, balanced diet refers to nutritional value... now, this leads to the next question: "what does nutritional value mean?" Which is a whole different world of pain...
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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

Oh! I know that bone chemistry guy in the movie. He's a great scientist. Uses isotopes to look at past diet. Discovered that Neanderthals were 'supercarnivores', i.e. they ate meat eaters. They lived for 300,000 to 600,000 years, I guess the paleodiet was different in the paleolithic.
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Yet the druids only lived for 25 to 30 years.

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In our most recent past, American women have been consuming an average of two pounds of milk per day for their entire lives, yet thirty million American women have osteoporosis. Does this make sense?
No, because whoever came up with that figure is clearly cherry-picking their information. Even if you average in all the milk I consumed as a baby, the cheese and chocolate throughout my life, there is no way I have consumed a quart of milk every single day for the past 30-something years. I don't know anyone who does. I think this also leads back to the correlation/causation thing. I do easily drink a quart of water a day so what does that mean to your experts...

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A lot of posters use the term a "balanced diet".

This makes no sense to me. Balanced in what respect? Weight, energy, color, temperature, texture, nutrition value, price....?
Good point. For me, "balanced" means a variety of all kinds of foods, not just specific ones, and in moderation.

I eat meats, dairy, veggies, fruits, grains, etc. and I try not to get too much of any one thing. I have been trying to replace refined carbs with more whole grains and processed foods with homemade recipes. I have also been adding more color to my diet by eating dark leafy greens and bright purple cabbages in my salads instead of plain old (and nearly nutritionally void) iceberg lettuce.

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No, because whoever came up with that figure is clearly cherry-picking their information. Even if you average in all the milk I consumed as a baby, the cheese and chocolate throughout my life, there is no way I have consumed a quart of milk every single day for the past 30-something years. I don't know anyone who does. I think this also leads back to the correlation/causation thing. I do easily drink a quart of water a day so what does that mean to your experts...



Good point. For me, "balanced" means a variety of all kinds of foods, not just specific ones, and in moderation.

Also those studies seem to say too much milk and too much protein is "just as bad" as eating too little.

I guess that's why most "experts" talk about moderation & balance. Even as a vegan you have to find ways to to enough protein and enough calcium while others may need to look at not eating too much protein or too little fiber, etc.

Which is why extremes are bad for omnivores like us.
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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

Hi ,So you really are part of this group who still believe that you need dairy for your healthy bones?
Here is a great site full of researchers facts about the great dairy con & health http://www.notmilk.com/

here are some facts about dairy and calcium

Osteoporosis
by Bruce Friedrich

"The myth that osteoporosis is caused by calcium deficiency was created to sell dairy products and calcium supplements. There's no truth to it. American women are among the biggest consumers of calcium in the world, and they still have one of the highest levels of osteoporosis in the world. And eating even more dairy products and calcium supplements is not going to change that fact.
--Dr. John McDougall
The McDougall Program for Women (2000)
Osteoporosis is a debilitating disease characterized by low bone mass and deteriorating bone tissue that affects tens of millions of Americans and causes 1.5 million fractures annually. The annual cost of treatment totals more than $10 billion. While some people suffering from osteoporosis experience recurring back pain, loss of height, and spinal deformities, many don't even know they have the disease until a bone fracture occurs.
According to the National Osteoporosis Foundation, one in two women over the age of 50, and one in eight men, will experience an osteoporosis-related fracture.
The dairy industry has a powerful hold on the nutrition industry in this country; it pays huge numbers of dietitians, doctors, and researchers to push dairy, spending more than $300 million annually, just at the national level, to retain a market for its products. The dairy industry has infiltrated schools, bought off sports stars, celebrities, and politicians, pushing all the while an agenda based on profit, rather than public health.
Dr. Walter Willett, a veteran nutrition researcher at the Harvard School of Public Health, says that calcium consumption "has become like a religious crusade," overshadowing true preventive measures such as physical exercise. To hear the dairy industry tell it, if you consume three glasses of milk daily, your bones will be stronger, and you can rest safely knowing that osteoporosis is not in your future.
Despite the dairy industry funding study after study to try to prove its claims, Dr. John McDougall, upon examining all the available nutritional studies and evidence, concludes:
"The primary cause of osteoporosis is the high-protein diet most Americans consume today. As one leading researcher in this area said, '[Eating a high-protein diet is like pouring acid rain on your bones.'" Remarkably enough, if dairy has any effect, both clinical and population evidence strongly implicate dairy in causing, rather than preventing, osteoporosis. That the dairy industry would lull unsuspecting women and children into complacency by telling them, essentially, drink more milk and your bones will be fine, may make good business sense, but it does the public a grave disservice.
Most of the world's peoples do not consume cow's milk, and yet most of the world does not experience the high rates of osteoporosis found in the West. In Asian countries, for example, where consumption of dairy foods is low (and where women tend to be thin and small-boned, universally accepted risk factors for osteoporosis), fracture rates are much lower than they are in the United States and in Scandinavian countries, where consumption of dairy products is considerably higher.
But don't take our word for it; examine the science for yourself:
One study, funded by the National Dairy Council, involved giving a group of postmenopausal women three 8-ounce glasses of skim milk per day for two years and comparing their bones to those of a control group of women not given the milk. The dairy group consumed 1,400 mg of calcium per day and lost bone at twice the rate of the control group. According to the researchers, "This may have been due to the average 30 percent increase in protein intake during milk supplementation ... The adverse effect of increases in protein intake on calcium balance has been reported from several laboratories, including our own" (they then cite 10 other studies). Says McDougall,
"Needless to say, this finding did not reach the six o'clock news."
After looking at 34 published studies in 16 countries, researchers at Yale University found that countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis--including the United States, Sweden, and Finland--are those in which people consume the most meat, milk, and other animal foods. This study also showed that African Americans, who consume, on average, more than 1,000 mg of calcium per day, are nine times more likely to experience hip fractures than are South African blacks, whose daily calcium intake is only 196 mg. Says McDougall, "[O]n a nation-by-nation basis, people who consume the most calcium have the weakest bones and the highest rates of osteoporosis. ... Only in those places where calcium and protein are eaten in relatively high quantities does a deficiency of bone calcium exist, due to an excess of animal protein."
Harvard University's landmark Nurses Health Study, which followed 78,000 women over a 12-year period, found that the women who consumed the most calcium from dairy foods broke more bones than those who rarely drank milk. Summarizing this study, the Lunar Osteoporosis Update (November 1997) explained: "This increased risk of hip fracture was associated with dairy calcium … If this were any agent other than milk, which has been so aggressively marketed by dairy interests, it undoubtedly would be considered a major risk factor."
A National Institutes of Health study out of the University of California, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2001), found that;
"Women who ate most of their protein from animal sources had three times the rate of bone loss and 3.7 times the rate of hip fractures of women who ate most of their protein from vegetable sources." Even though the researchers adjusted "for everything we could think of that might otherwise explain the relationship … it didn't change the results." The study's conclusion: "[A]n increase in vegetable protein intake and a decrease in animal protein intake may decrease bone loss and the risk of hip fracture."
Another study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2000) looked at all aspects of diet and bone health and found that high consumption of fruits and vegetables positively affect bone health and that dairy consumption did not. Such findings do not surprise nutritional researchers: According to Dr. Neal Barnard, author of Turn Off the Fat Genes (2001) and several other books on diet and health, the calcium absorption from vegetables is as good as or better than that from milk. Calcium absorption from milk is approximately 30 percent, while figures for broccoli, Brussels sprouts, mustard greens, turnip greens, kale, and some other leafy green vegetables range between 40 percent and 64 percent.
After reviewing studies on the link between protein intake and urinary calcium loss, nutritional researcher Robert P. Heaney found that as consumption of protein increases, so does the amount of calcium lost in the urine (Journal of the American Dietetic Association, 1993): "This effect has been documented in several different study designs for more than 70 years," he writes, adding, "[T]he net effect is such that if protein intake is doubled without changing intake of other nutrients, urinary calcium content increases by about 50 percent."
Researchers from the University of Sydney and Westmead Hospital discovered that consumption of dairy foods, especially early in life, increases the risk of hip fractures in old age (American Journal of Epidemiology, 1994).
Finally, an analysis of all research conducted since 1985, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2000), concluded:
"If dairy food intakes confer bone health, one might expect this to have been apparent from the 57 outcomes, which included randomized, controlled trials and longitudinal cohort studies involving 645,000 person-years."
The researchers go on to lament that "there have been few carefully designed studies of the effects of dairy foods on bone health," and then to conclude with typical scientific reserve that:
"The body of scientific evidence appears inadequate to support a recommendation for daily intake of dairy foods to promote bone health in the general U.S. population."
What we do know is that osteoporosis rates decline markedly as body weight, exercise, and caloric intake rise. Corroborating the researchers' lament about bad studies, only three studies have factored caloric intake into the analysis; two of them found no correlation between dairy intake and osteoporosis. The other found a positive link; that is, the more milk consumed, the higher the fracture risk (Harvard Nurses Study, see above).
The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2000) study cited above argued that since we know for certain that total caloric intake and body weight are positively associated with bone mass, such factors are "particularly important" in any study of osteoporosis and bone mass.
Is the dairy industry ignoring these factors by design in its clinical studies, perhaps because dairy consumers tend to be heavier and to consume more calories than those consuming fewer (or no) dairy products? It is remarkable that the dairy industry can't get the results it's looking for, since dairy consumption does tend to make people heavier. Even though dairy researchers ignore this factor, most studies still show no relationship, and some indicate that milk causes osteoporosis. If the tendencies of those who consume more dairy to be heavier and to consume more calories were accounted for, would the studies indicating no link show, in fact, that dairy intake causes osteoporosis, like the Harvard School of Public Health study? That would bring clinical analysis into line with the population analysis, which clearly states that increased dairy consumption is linked to increased risk for osteoporosis.
So what can I do for strong bones?
Osteoporosis is a horrible disease, and although the evidence is strong that dairy consumption doesn't prevent it, simply eliminating dairy products does not ensure that it won't afflict you. And if, like most people who consume no meat or dairy, you are slender, you should be sure to put some thought (and effort) into keeping your bones healthy.
What the evidence does dictate as useful for strong bones is:
* Getting enough vitamin D (if you don't spend any time in the sun, be sure to take a supplement or eat fortified foods).
* Eliminating animal protein (for a variety of reasons, animal protein causes severe bone deterioration).
* Limiting alcohol consumption (alcohol is toxic to the cells that form bones and inhibits the absorption of calcium).
* Limiting salt intake (sodium leaches calcium out of the bones)
* Not smoking (studies have shown that women who smoke one pack of cigarettes a day have 5 to 10 percent less bone density at menopause than nonsmokers).
* Getting plenty of exercise. Studies have concluded that physical exercise is the key to building strong bones (more important than any other factor). For example, a study published in the British Medical Journal, which followed 1,400 men and women over a 15-year period, found that exercise may be the best protection against hip fractures and that "reduced intake of dietary calcium does not seem to be a risk factor." And Penn State University researchers found that bone density is significantly affected by how much exercise girls get during their teen years, when 40 to 50 percent of their skeletal mass is developed. Consistent with previous research, the Penn State study, which was published in Pediatrics (2000), the journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, showed that calcium intake, which ranged from 500 to 1,500 mg per day, has no lasting effect on bone health.
"We (had) hypothesized that increased calcium intake would result in better adolescent bone gain. Needless to say, we were surprised to find our hypothesis refuted," one researcher explained.
Conclusion:
Drinking milk builds dairy producers' profits, but as the above studies show, it's more likely to harm your bones than to help them. And dairy foods are linked to all sorts of other problems, including obesity, heart disease and cancer (including breast cancer and prostate cancer) and are likely to be contaminated with trace levels of antibiotics, hormones, and other chemicals, including dioxin, one of the most toxic substances known to humans (The Washington Post reported that "the latest EPA study concludes that people who consume even small amounts of dioxin in fatty foods and dairy products face a cancer risk of 1 in 100. They may also develop other problems, such as attention disorder, learning disabilities, susceptibility to infections and liver disorders" (April 12, 2001).
Of course, calcium is an essential mineral, and it is possible to have a calcium deficiency. According to Dr. Neal Barnard, president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine:
"Milk, in particular, is poor insurance against bone breaks ... the healthiest calcium sources are green leafy vegetables and legumes ... You don't need to eat huge servings of vegetables or beans to get enough calcium, but do include both in your regular menu planning. If you are looking for extra calcium, fortified orange, apple, or grapefruit juices are good choices."
It makes no more sense for humans to consume the mother's milk of cows than for us to consume the mother's milk of rats, cats, dogs, giraffes, or any other mammal. Nature created human mother's milk for baby humans, cow mother's milk for baby cows, and so on.
The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, in Baby and Child Care (the United States' best selling book, other than the Bible, over the past 50 years), after recommending that no one consume cow's milk and cataloging a host of ills associated with milk consumption (heart disease, cancer, obesity, antibiotic residue, iron deficiency, asthma, ear infections, skin conditions, stomach aches, bloating, and diarrhea), concludes:
"In nature, animals do not drink milk after infancy, and that is the normal pattern for humans, too. ...Children stay in better calcium balance when their protein comes from plant sources."
Dr. Spock recommends human mother's milk for baby humans, as nature intended.
"It is hard to turn on the television without hearing commercials suggesting that milk promotes strong bones. The commercials do not point out that only 30 percent of milk's calcium is absorbed by the body or that osteoporosis is common among milk drinkers. Nor do they help you correct the real causes of bone loss."
--Dr. Neal Barnard
Says Dr. T. Colin Campbell, the world's leading epidemiological researcher in the field of diet and health,
"The dairy folks, ever since the 1920s, have been enormously successful in cultivating an environment within virtually all segments of our society--from research and education to public relations and politics--to have us believing that cow's milk and its products are manna from heaven. ... Make no mistake about it; the dairy industry has been virtually in total control of any and all public health information that ever rises to the level of public scrutiny."
"The association between the intake of animal protein and fracture rates appears to be as strong as the association between cigarette smoking and lung cancer."
--Dr. T. Colin Campbell
"Milk, it now seems clear, is not the solution to poor bone density. To the contrary, it's part of the problem."
--Dr. Charles Attwood

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The next 10 questions are all myths

1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease than do vegetarians.
2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because they have higher rates of the male sex hormone.
3) Meat eaters have lower rates of all of the major diseases than do vegetarians.
4) Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than meat eaters.
5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a pregnant woman or nursing mother.
6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller than children born to meat eaters.
7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also consume vegetables.
8) It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher rates of heart disease than meat eaters.
9) Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than do vegetarians.
10) Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than do vegetarians.
_____________________________________ ONE BY ONE, LET'S DISPEL THOSE MYTHS _____________________________________

1) Meat eaters have lower rates of heart disease than do vegetarians. "Significant atherosclerosis is rare in peoples whose diet over the life span is predominantly vegetarian and low in calories, total lipids, saturated lipids and cholesterol." Nutrition and Athersclerosis by Louis Katz. 1958 ______________________________________

2) Meat eating men make for better lovers because they have higher rates of the male sex hormone. "The study measured testosterone levels in 696 Oxford University men. Of the study participants, 233 were vegan (ate no animal products) and 237 were vegetarian (ate milk and dairy products). The remaining 237 subjects were men who ate meat on most days of the week...vegans had higher testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat eaters." British Journal of Cancer, 83(1), July 2000 ______________________________________ 3)

Meat eaters have lower rates of all of mankind's major diseases than do vegetarians. "Scientific data suggest positive relationships between a vegetarian diet and reduced risk for several chronic degenerative diseases and conditions, including obesity, coronary artery disease, hypertension, diabetes mellitus, and some types of cancer." Journal of American Dietetic Association, 11/97, 97(1) ______________________________________
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Vegetarians have higher mortality rates than meat eaters. "Vegetarians often have lower mortality rates from several chronic degenerative diseases than do non vegetarians." British Medical Journal, 1996; 313 ______________________________________

5) A vegetarian diet is not appropriate for a pregnant woman or nursing mother. "Vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy and lactation." Am J Clin Nutr. 1994;59(suppl):1176S-1181S. ______________________________________

6) Children born to vegetarians are smaller than children born to meat eaters. "Vegan diets can meet the nutrient and energy needs of pregnant women. Birth weights of infants born to well nourished vegetarian women have been shown to be similar to birth-weight norms and to birth weights of infants of non vegetarians." Pediatrics. 1989;84 ______________________________________

7) Meat eaters obtain more vitamins and nutrients than vegetarians, because the animals they eat also consume vegetables. "Vegetarian diets offer disease protection benefits because higher concentration of antioxidants such as vitamins C and E, carotenoids, and phytochemicals." Am J Clin Nutr. 1996;63(suppl) ______________________________________
8)
It is a proven fact that vegetarians have higher rates of heart disease than meat eaters. "Mortality from coronary artery disease is lower in vegetarians than in non vegetarians." British Medical Journal, 1994; 308 ______________________________________
9)
Meat eaters have lower rates of diabetes than do vegetarians. "Type 2 diabetes mellitus is less likely to be a cause of death in vegetarians than non vegetarians." Am J Clin Nutr. 1988;48(suppl) ______________________________________
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Meat eaters have lower rates of breast cancer than do vegetarians. "Breast cancer rates are lower in populations that consume plant based diets." American Cancer Society Cancer Facts and Figures, 1994
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So, what are you teaching doctors about gluten, exactly?
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and ?????? your point is ??? its personal choice and therefore PERSONAL !!!
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Looks like the eskimoes are ****ed, then.
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