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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

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We is my Wife & I

All middle eastern airlines ignore my vegan request.
some serve me cheese and eggs.or bread and butter.
Once you say oil free vegan they just give up.

I was once questioned in Dubai for having 6 kilos of dried fruit and nuts in my backpack.
Why don't you just take your own food on the plane? I do, frequently.
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Why don't you just take your own food on the plane? I do, frequently.
The last couple of years we carry a backpack full of dried fruits and nuts, but they always destroy our rice milks at security
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Sure there is no debating that and I understand that but I have never and I really mean never seen any marketing for a Vegan diet.

In this day and age when people are a lot more health concious why are there not more Vegans, I honestly do not know of or even heard of any (apart from the chef).
Not quite marketing, this, but there is a very well-informed , -researched and -written book by Jonathan Safran Foer which thoroughly investigates the animal protein question from various angles, it's called " Eating Animals". Check it out!
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I like your posts a lot more than Vegan-Chef's posts.

It's great that you did the Appalachian and the Alaska-Argentina bike ride - good stuff!

As you seem to be taking a very sensible stance, do you know what a vegan eat if they have a problem with low iron?
Tom hope this helps


Table 1: Iron Content of Selected Vegan Foods
Food
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Iron (mg)
Soybeans, cooked 1 cup 8.8
Blackstrap molasses 2 Tbsp 7.2
Lentils, cooked 1 cup 6.6
Spinach, cooked 1 cup 6.4
Quinoa, cooked 1 cup 6.3
Tofu 4 ounces 6.0
Bagel, enriched 3 ounces 5.2
Tempeh 1 cup 4.8
Lima beans, cooked 1 cup 4.4
Swiss chard, cooked 1 cup 4.0
Black beans, cooked 1 cup 3.6
Pinto beans, cooked 1 cup 3.5
Turnip greens, cooked 1 cup 3.2
Chickpeas, cooked 1 cup 3.2
Potato 1 large 3.2
Kidney beans, cooked 1 cup 3.0

Prune juice 8 ounces 3.0
Beet greens, cooked 1 cup 2.7
Tahini 2 Tbsp 2.7
Veggie hot dog 1 hot dog 2.7
Peas, cooked 1 cup 2.5
Black-eyed peas, cooked 1 cup 2.3
Cashews 1/4 cup 2.1
Brussels sprouts, cooked 1 cup 1.9
Bok choy, cooked 1 cup 1.8
Bulgur, cooked 1 cup 1.7
Raisins 1/2 cup 1.6
Almonds 1/4 cup 1.5
Apricots, dried 15 halves 1.4
Veggie burger, commercial 1 patty
1.4 Watermelon 1/8 medium 1.4
Soy yogurt 6 ounces 1.1
Tomato juice 8 ounces 1.0
Green beans, cooked 1 cup 1.2
Kale, cooked 1 cup 1.2
Sunflower seeds 1/4 cup
1.2 Broccoli, cooked 1 cup 1.1
Millet, cooked 1 cup 1.1
Sesame seeds 2 Tbsp 1.0

Sources: USDA Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, Release 18, 2005 and Manufacturer's information

The RDA for iron for vegetarians is 14 mg/day for adult men and for post-menopausal women and 33 mg/day for pre-menopausal women

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Studies show most vegans and vegetarians go back to meat at some point in their lives anyway. It's usually a phase or a fad, rather than a permanent lifestyle change.
I see where you are coming from and there is some truth in what you say as with any "ism". That said there is no one type of vegetarian or vegan. For example-

Person A- Becomes V because they think it makes them look cool and trendy.
Person B- Adores meat but feels guilty eating it so tries to become V.

In both the above examples the person most likely will go back to non veg diet sooner rather than later. In general I also find more Vegans who are bit hit and miss. Preach for a year or two and then go bust. 90% Vegan? WTF?

Now with all that said and done there is absolutely no issue staying vegetarian for all your life in the west if that is what you truly want. I am vegetarian and don't see myself going non veg ever again. Coming to 15 years as a vegetarian and not once I felt any desire to eat any non veg food.

Even though I class myself vegetarian I think I am more closer to Vegan diet than OP and his celebrity friends Definitely fitter, trimmer than most people my age or even 10 years younger (veg or non veg).
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I am back as some kind member has balanced out the red with a green.

The point here is I am not looking at making enemies here or cheese people off, just some straight out debating and looking at both sides of the coin
So you throw a hissy and leave because you get a red blob... then come back because you got a green? How... childlike.
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I like your posts a lot more than Vegan-Chef's posts.

It's great that you did the Appalachian and the Alaska-Argentina bike ride - good stuff!

As you seem to be taking a very sensible stance, do you know what a vegan eat if they have a problem with low iron?
Hope this helps....
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Non-animal iron sources:
Eating red meat and organ meat are the most efficient ways to get iron, but for vegans, obviously, thatís not going to happen. Here are 12 plant-based foods with some of the highest iron levels:

Spirulina (1 tsp): 5 mg
Cooked soybeans (1/2 cup): 4.4 mg
Pumpkin seeds (1 ounce): 4.2 mg
Quinoa (4 ounces): 4 mg
Blackstrap molasses (1 tbsp): 4 mg
Tomato paste (4 ounces): 3.9 mg
White beans (1/2 cup) 3.9 mg
Cooked spinach (1/2 cup): 3.2 mg
Dried peaches (6 halves): 3.1 mg
Prune juice (8 ounces): 3 mg
Lentils (4 ounces): 3 mg

Tips to get the most iron out of your food:

Eat iron-rich foods along with foods that contain vitamin C, which helps the body absorb the iron.
Tea and coffee contains compounds called polyphenols, which can bind with iron making it harder for our bodies to absorb it.
Calcium also hinders the absorption of iron; avoid high-calcium foods for a half hour before or after eating iron-rich foods.
Cook in iron pots. The acid in foods seems to pull some of the iron out of the cast-iron pots. Simmering acidic foods, such as tomato sauce, in an iron pot can increase the iron content of the brew more than ten-fold. Cooking foods containing other acids, such as vinegar, red wine, lemon or lime juice, in an iron pot can also increase the iron content of the final mixture.


Read more: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/12-...#ixzz2C5wQcPQI


Read more: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/12-...#ixzz2C5w6qKeQ "
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Re: Green Juicing Energy for everyday life

Vegan Chef, thank you for the recipes! I love having a green juice in the morning as well! it's exactly what my body wants and I feel wonderful!

For those interested in a slow juicer, I got mine from Fust (found it in Jelmoli Zurich Bahnhofstrasse store). it's a Hurom but disguised under "Betty Bossi" brand. Fust gives 2 years guarantee and it costed 299 CHF, which is a lot cheaper than if you were looking for "Hurom" at a health food store.

Alternative, I also saw the same slow juicer being marketed from Turmix. Personally never seem it in person or in store, I only seen it in a trade show.

It's a great juicer for normal carrot and celery mix. But I found it lacking juice power when I tried to put spinach or any green leaves inside. It often clogged up, but it usually clears up with some carrots.

Hope that helps!
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Hmm ill have to check on that about Carl Lewis. You must not have actually read my post...Again, i am not claiming to be vegan or anything else but human. I sometimes eat meat, and i think for most people it makes more sense to eat meat occasionally than worry about amino acids. The last thing i want is for you to "buy in" to anything - that was the point of my post. (and to mention possible plant based sources of calcium, which several people had requested at the start of this thread)
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I have to say you do put across a very good debate on the subject and you have obviously seen both sides of the debate.....but....... I still don;t see it as the 'healthy' option but like you say you do eat and enjoy the occasional meat where as I eat and enjoy the occasional vegetable ............(that bit was a joke)
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I see where you are coming from and there is some truth in what you say as with any "ism". That said there is no one type of vegetarian or vegan. For example-

Person A- Becomes V because they think it makes them look cool and trendy.
Person B- Adores meat but feels guilty eating it so tries to become V.

In both the above examples the person most likely will go back to non veg diet sooner rather than later. In general I also find more Vegans who are bit hit and miss. Preach for a year or two and then go bust. 90% Vegan? WTF?

Now with all that said and done there is absolutely no issue staying vegetarian for all your life in the west if that is what you truly want. I am vegetarian and don't see myself going non veg ever again. Coming to 15 years as a vegetarian and not once I felt any desire to eat any non veg food.

Even though I class myself vegetarian I think I am more closer to Vegan diet than OP and his celebrity friends Definitely fitter, trimmer than most people my age or even 10 years younger (veg or non veg).
Where did you get that I am 90% vegan ???????????
I am 100% plus oil free.
The picture was taken on the 5 week of a 6 week holiday where we were told the food was vegan but not oill free.the Vegan wine on holiday did also health to a few kilos of weight gain,such is life.
Also I am not vegan for animal issues only for health.

Today I am back to my normal weight of 71kg height 178cm do the math.

Person attack don't really worry me but are really kinda negative.
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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

Thanks for the iron tips Pilatus and Vegan_Chef.

I just need to work out which of the vegetarian iron sources are the easiest to absorb and so the most beneficial as a source of iron.

(It's not for me but I do most of the cooking).
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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

Hi Tom

Lentil and beans work for me and you get tons of protein as well

I will post a vegan Dal recipe in the health food tips thread later.

It is my own and oil free and keeps for 7 days in the fridge

easy to make too
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I am 100% plus oil free.
This is the bit I think that is pointless and a "trendy" waste of time.

You stated that you eat whole olives rather than olive oil so you get all the fibre in the olives.

Fine, but then you juice vegetables which removes perfectly good fibre.

Perhaps you ought to explain your contradiction?
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Where did you get that I am 90% vegan ???????????
I am 100% plus oil free.
The picture was taken on the 5 week of a 6 week holiday where we were told the food was vegan but not oill free.the Vegan wine on holiday did also health to a few kilos of weight gain,such is life.
Also I am not vegan for animal issues only for health.

Today I am back to my normal weight of 71kg height 178cm do the math.

Person attack don't really worry me but are really kinda negative.
I don't think I mentioned that you are 90% vegan I have friends who call themselves Vegan but eat sauce in which meat balls were cooked. So I was thinking more about them. 90% just came from your poker friend example.
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Hi Tom

Lentil and beans work for me and you get tons of protein as well

I will post a vegan Dal recipe in the health food tips thread later.

Please don't post the dal recipe on my behalf. I was bought up on dalwhen I was a kid and these days use a lot of beans and pulses in cooking.


That's sort of my point. I probably do eat about 90% vegetarian food so, like you say, I get the health benefits of this but I also eat fish (and meat) in smaller quantities so I get the benefits of that too.
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Re: Hippocrates - "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food"

Tom I am 100% processed oil free. sounds better? Plain nuts and avocado are my source of healthy oils.
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This is the bit I think that is pointless and a "trendy" waste of time.

You stated that you eat whole olives rather than olive oil so you get all the fibre in the olives.

Fine, but then you juice vegetables which removes perfectly good fibre.

Perhaps you ought to explain your contradiction?
Easy to explain I eat only whole plant food which are full of fiber.

But to get extra vitamin and mineral into my system I also green juice twice a day, the amount of veggies used for those green juice you could never eat,way to much volume
hope this clear things up
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Tom I am 100% processed oil free. sounds better? Plain nuts and avocado are my source of healthy oils.
Thank you for making English out of my Chinese
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Easy to explain I eat only whole plant food which are full of fiber.

But to get extra vitamin and mineral into my system I also green juice twice a day, the amount of veggies used for those green juice you could never eat,way to much volume
hope this clear things up
Not really. I would bet that having some olive oil in your diet would make no difference at all to your health (assuming you ate less calories elsewhere - i.e. less whole olives).
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Re: Healthy food tips

Today is a Indian inspired Dal which goe's great with brown Rice or Quinoa

You can make it very spicy or mild up to your taste-buds

Keep in fridge for over a week and is great on cold nights.

Enjoy

V-Up Dharamsala Dal

8-10 Servings (This will keep in the fridge for over a week)

500 grams Dried Brown Lentils

2 fresh Green Chilies

2 large Red Onions

... 1 head of Garlic

1 can of Cooked Whole Tomatoes (400 grams)

4 tablespoons of Indian Curry Powder (or any good Curry)

2 tablespoons of Grounded Cumin

2 tablespoons of Curcuma

1 can of organic Red Kidney Beans (225 grams net)

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Salt & Pepper

1 can of Coconut Milk

2 tablespoons of Hot Chili Powder

Soak your Lentils the night before in 2 liters of cold water in a large pot.

Next day rinse them well and place back in pot with another 2 liters of clean water.

Place on stove at high heat. Once boiling reduce heat to simmer.

Next clean your Chilies and slice them into a few long strips.

Throw them into the pot.

Peel your Onions and cut them into quarters.

Peel the head of Garlic.

Then place them into your food processor with the S blade and add your can of Whole Tomatoes.

Blend it all to a paste (if you have a small processor do half at a time).

Then add all of it to the pot and stir it in well.

Now add all the herbs and spices.

Note: There should always be liquid on top of the cooking Dal. If not, add more water.

After 45 minute of cooking, reduce heat, strain and rinse your can of Beans and add to the pot. Mix in well.

Start mashing everything with your potato masher till you see the liquid starting to thicken.

Turn off heat, add the can of coconut milk and stir in well.

All done, ready to eat.
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