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Old 08.11.2012, 14:46
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Yes Ma'am, No Sir

Should my teenage students be calling me, "Ma'am" in English class?

It's sounds unnatural to me and I never called my teachers in America "Ma'am" or "Sir". However, someone said the English use these terms with their teachers all the time.

Thanks for your insight.
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Old 08.11.2012, 14:49
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Should my teenage students be calling me, "Ma'am" in English class?

It's sounds unnatural to me and I never called my teachers in America "Ma'am" or "Sir". However, someone said the English use these terms with their teachers all the time.

Thanks for your insight.
I did this in school (went to school in the American south)
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Re: Yes Ma'am, No Sir

It's just my opinion, but I believe it's better when students are respectful of their teachers.

Now, if they call you Sir, I'm not sure it's respectful.

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Old 08.11.2012, 14:55
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Re: Yes Ma'am, No Sir

For sproglets, it's normally Miss or Mrs. Olygirl.

For bigger sprogs, it's what you tell 'em - in keeping with the school guidelines and correct protocol.

For younger than college age, it should never be christian name, as one of my dickhead teachers insisted upon at secondary school, as respect flies out of the window.


Me, personally, I wouldn't settle for anything less than GOD.
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Old 08.11.2012, 14:57
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Re: Yes Ma'am, No Sir

Sir and Miss, yes. Ma'am nope... The English is Madam and this I never even heard when I was at school
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Old 08.11.2012, 14:59
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Re: Yes Ma'am, No Sir

In my UK schooldays it was Sir for the male teachers and Miss for the female, regardless of whether they were married or not.

I think Ma'am is an american term as a lot of the male staff in the office call me Ma'am, but none of the Brits would say this.
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Old 08.11.2012, 15:03
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Sir and Miss, yes. Ma'am nope... The English is Madam and this I never even heard when I was at school
The Queen is Ma'am (maarm), and for all other women it's:

Wham, bham, thank you ma'am (mam).
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Old 08.11.2012, 15:06
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Re: Yes Ma'am, No Sir

Thanks for your comments.

My students call me Mrs. Olygirl. They don't have a term equivalent to "Ma'am" or "Sir" in German so I'm a bit stumped on how to teach it and if I should require it of them.

The only time I personally use these terms is when I'm talking to someone who's name I don't know and want to call him something or if I really want to show an incredible amount of respect or bull""t respect.
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Old 08.11.2012, 15:19
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Re: Yes Ma'am, No Sir

I used Miss and Sir all through school until 6th form college.
We had one teacher in secondary school (age 12-16) who insisted on bein Ms name. And is part of the reason I hate Ms.

When I worked in a pub I called the customers Madam or Sir, until they beat it out of me (I say beat it out of me, I mean bought me drinks until I relaxed )
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Old 08.11.2012, 15:21
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Re: Yes Ma'am, No Sir

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Me, personally, I wouldn't settle for anything less than GOD.


You went round calling all your teachers God?

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For younger than college age, it should never be christian name
Well, that's what they use here in kindergarden, primary, and middle school.

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Thanks for your comments.

My students call me Mrs. Olygirl. They don't have a term equivalent to "Ma'am" or "Sir" in German ...
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Old 08.11.2012, 16:15
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Re: Yes Ma'am, No Sir

Normal and respectful. Nothing wrong with it.
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Normal and respectful. Nothing wrong with it.
Besides that authority has quite nothing to do with being authoritarian (or claiming there being any link between titles/intitulation or whatever and respect),

the kids being Swiss German have another conception of the terms "Ma'am" or "Sir" than e.g. Americans could have.

It simply sounds ridiculous in German, i.e. teachers claiming being called by that make themselves the laughingstock. That was my point.
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Old 08.11.2012, 17:10
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It simply sounds ridiculous in German, i.e. teachers claiming being called by that make themselves the laughingstock. That was my point.
Really? My daughter always referred to her teachers as Frau Gooch and Mrs. Grinch (fictional names ).

At least in American English, the only ones using 'Miss' are dudes trying to wave down a waitress and is usually considered somewhat diminutive, but this also depends on where you are...Yankees don't, but it's part and parcel of Southern life. If the waitress is older, then you will hear ma'am instead unless, of course, the guy is being flirty, and then he might try Miss as an attempt to be 'sauve'.

Ms. is a common replacement for Miss when used in conjunction with a name unless, such as my own daughter's Kindergarten, the teacher requested they use Mrs. Usually ma'am is deployed when giving a response to a request, e.g. Yes, ma'am, and is considered somewhat old-fashioned, but still good manners. If one were to use it in an address, it would be Madame, but never ma'am so it's not equivalent to Frau or Mrs.

Sir is similar in that, unless the Queen has bestowed an order of knighthood upon the person in question, sir is neither capitalized nor used as an address but, again, can be used in a response to a question, e.g. Yes, sir. and is also considered respectful and good manners.

I'm not sure there's anything at least in the German I know to cover a word used like ma'am and sir in the sense the kids are using it.
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Old 08.11.2012, 17:23
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Really? My daughter always referred to her teachers as Frau Gooch
Ok, I cracked up in the middle of a meeting!!!

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Old 08.11.2012, 17:25
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Ok, I cracked up in the middle of a meeting!!!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gooch
Glad I could provide a little comic relief this morning
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I did this in school (went to school in the American south)
Ditto.
I still do this with any adult with whom I have a formal relationship (boss, strangers, clients). I would describe this, while not having its own grammar/conjugation structure, as being similar to the formal Sie form in German.
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Re: Yes Ma'am, No Sir

Everything other than "SIE!!!!"
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Ok, I cracked up in the middle of a meeting!!!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gooch


Wikipedia reference-linkGraham Gooch
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