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I do not know where you get this information, the prevalence of malnutrition in Latin America is staggering. Poor people do NOT eat red meat (at least in my country they do not) be it lean or not, and the percentage of obesity is almost equal to Western countries.
That's interesting. My comment was based mostly on observations I made on my travels to Brazil.
Strong, lean and fit people everywhere you look - and I don't think it is down to genetics as this applies to the indigenous people in Amazonia, to the cities in the northeast where the population has mostly african inheritance, and to the south with caucasian genetics. I assume it is down to their diet. They all eat feijoada (black bean stew) with rice almost daily...the poorer the more often they eat it.

Cubans, Argentinians, and Venezuelans are also trim people.

Which country are you from? And what's the main diet there?
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Should all proteins they eat come from veg sources and eliminate dairy completely?
No, because you will need supplements (B12, iron, and calcium).
But imo, it is better to use animal protein only in small quantities (10-20% of a diet), due to hormones, antibiotics in meat, and also because we still don't know yet really the connection of IGF-1 (which gets raised by eating meat) and cancer.
There are also some studies regarding casein and cancer which are worrying.
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But imo, it is better to use animal protein only in small quantities (10-20% of a diet), due to hormones, antibiotics in meat.
There may (or may not) be valid reasons for limiting meat intake, but these two are really not an issue in Europe these days.
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Old 26.11.2012, 16:54
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really bad luck for the turkey Im gonna get. To top off its run of luck Im gonna stuff it good and proper.
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Old 26.11.2012, 16:56
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There may (or may not) be valid reasons for limiting meat intake, but these two are really not an issue in Europe these days.
There were just recently antibiotic resiste germs in chicken in Germany. The German farmers aren't obliged to log how much antibiotics they use, and there also aren't any guidelines regarding the maximum allowed dose.
http://www.zeit.de/wissen/umwelt/201...erhaltung-mast (article in German)
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There were just recently antibiotic resiste germs in chicken in Germany. The German farmers aren't obliged to log how much antibiotics they use, and there also aren't any guidelines regarding the maximum allowed dose.
http://www.zeit.de/wissen/umwelt/201...erhaltung-mast (article in German)

If you buy chicken meat in Germany you are advised to cook it VERY thoroughly to dissipate the anti-biotics and other nasties in the meat.

I`ve never again eaten chicken from Germany since viewing a video of one of their largest chicken factory farms, it was disgusting how the chickens are reared and harvested.

No wonder the Swiss can tell the difference in taste between chicken from DE/CH!
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Old 26.11.2012, 17:07
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They all eat feijoada (black bean stew) with rice almost daily...the poorer the more often they eat it.
There is plenty of meat and fat in feijoada. It's not by any stretch of the imagination a vegetarian dish.
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Old 26.11.2012, 17:10
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I had it half a year ago when in a town near Sao Paulo. It was full of pork fat, and pork. And I think beef, but couldn't tell.
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Old 26.11.2012, 17:12
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There is plenty of meat and fat in feijoada. It's not by any stretch of the imagination a vegetarian dish.
I don't know where you have eaten your feijoadas, but the ones I had, at peoples home, were about 90% vegetarian. The pork fat is used for flavouring and to give it texture. It is a bean dish with lil pork, not the other way around.
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Old 26.11.2012, 17:14
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I don't know where you have eaten your feijoadas, but the ones I had, at peoples home, were about 90% vegetarian.
That's a bit like 90% pregnant, right?
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I don't know where you have eaten your feijoadas, but the ones I had, at peoples home, were about 90% vegetarian. The pork fat is used for flavouring and to give it texture. It is a bean dish with lil pork, not the other way around.
Forgive me for stating the obvious, but 90% vegetarian isn't 100% vegetarian, therefore not vegetarian .

Edit.. Beaten to it by CC, I am being a little slow today.
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Old 26.11.2012, 17:21
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Edit.. Beaten to it by CC, I am being a little slow today.
Was it you I beat to vajazzling too? I suspect it was

I have the speed of a cobra today, fuelled by my meat-free borscht lunch

Don't worry about it - the little purple haired one was even slower
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Old 26.11.2012, 17:22
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I don't know where you have eaten your feijoadas, but the ones I had, at peoples home, were about 90% vegetarian. The pork fat is used for flavouring and to give it texture. It is a bean dish with lil pork, not the other way around.
There is no such thing as 90% vegetarian.

The more meat they can afford the more meat goes in the dish. Plus what they use is the fattiest bits of the animal, not the lean bits. The lean bits don't have as much flavor.

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I had it half a year ago when in a town near Sao Paulo. It was full of pork fat, and pork. And I think beef, but couldn't tell.
Usually it's pork cuts and pork sausage, but some people will add some dried beef.
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Forgive me for stating the obvious, but 90% vegetarian isn't 100% vegetarian, therefore not vegetarian .

Edit.. Beaten to it by CC, I am being a little slow today.
Sorry, but what are you trying to say exactly? Doesn't make it less healthy, imo.
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The more meat they can afford the more meat goes in the dish.
Yup, and for this reason you see the poorer Brazilian population to be seemingly fitter, and leaner than westerners from a lower social background.
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Sorry, but what are you trying to say exactly? Doesn't make it less healthy, imo.
Well, roughly - if you use cheap meat for those dishes, which most people would....plus using pork fat, you'd be looking at VERY APPROXIMATELY 10% total fat and of that 8% saturated fat. That is not healthy food
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There were just recently antibiotic resiste germs in chicken in Germany. The German farmers aren't obliged to log how much antibiotics they use, and there also aren't any guidelines regarding the maximum allowed dose.
http://www.zeit.de/wissen/umwelt/201...erhaltung-mast (article in German)
Ah, well chicken's another thing entirely. With factory farming like that you either have massive antibiotic use or endemic Salmonella. Either way factory-raised chicken or eggs are best avoided completely. They also have very little flavour.

But I don't see how cooking it longer would help, TBH, unless you cook it out of existence entirely.
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Old 26.11.2012, 17:27
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Yup, and for this reason you see the poorer Brazilian population to be seemingly fitter, and leaner than westerners from a lower social background.
Poor people may be fitter because they eat less. But this is certainly changing as poor people get access to junky cheap prepared food.

Argentina is a perfect example. They traditionally eat lots of meat. The more the price of meat is rising out of access to poor people, the more cheap stuff they are eating including tones of carbs like pasta, potatoes and pizza.
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]Poor people may be fitter because they eat less.[/B] But this is certainly changing as poor people get access to junky cheap prepared food.
Slim doesn't equal fit.
You need quality lean protein for a trim, toned body
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Sorry, but what are you trying to say exactly? Doesn't make it less healthy, imo.
I was referring to the quote below- mimiMia was saying that feijoada is not a vegetarian dish, and I was agreeing, 90% vegetarian is not vegetarian.

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