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Old 06.12.2012, 22:16
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Re: 13 CHF donation - for three lovely girls in Gambia

I think the OP has done enough. He posted about his charity and his reasons for wanting to raise the money. A couple of other people here have posted to say the OP exists and is genuine. Which was worthwhile. The open question is whether the OP himself is being scammed I suppose.

The OP then said that he's happy however you donate, so the doubters can donate 13 CHF to another cause in Africa (there are many!) instead.

Maybe the OP is trying to get clarity as to what school these children are going to, to make sure he's not being misled by his "sister"? Or maybe he knows them all well enough and has simply given up responding here.

Me personally? From those who have vouched for him, I believe the OP. Don't know whether his "sister" is telling the truth but that's neither here nor there as having been to Kenya recently I've met some groups there I already support.

Plus according to the title I'd get three gambian girls for my 13CHF. And my apartment is too small.
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Old 06.12.2012, 22:18
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Re: 13 CHF donation - for three lovely girls in Gambia

Hi again,

I was awaiting an answer from Hanna (my "sister") as I also don't know the situation inside out. She asked for help and therefore just trusted her and started to collect money - which I am very happy and proud of.

Before I answer that I would like to answer something else - I find it a bit disturbing when people blindly compare what one dollar does in Gambia and then make that equivalent to what that would be in switzerland. 150 CHF in Switzerland would give us insurances for us / going to school / getting the food we want / living in our own flat and so on. I guess one dollar in Gambia might make sure you don't starve and that's it.

I wouldn't call getting an education/having food/getting activites as elitist. I call this basic human right and a childhood. I wish all kids could get this - but the country needs to develop. In order to develop, they need education.

Anyway, now to answer the question about the girls being older than the school age. Here is the answer from my sister:

"Wow, let me try to start from the beginning or as far back as I have been a part of the school project. The school started as a nursery school in September 2011, initiated by a Welsh and a Swedish teacher. The Welsh teacher had by then been tutoring the three girls in question since they had problems in their local school and needed extra help. When the school opened the girls started even though two of them were too old to go to nursery school, their sponsor, an English lady considered it more beneficial for them to go there than to return to local school.

The local schools in the Gambia have an average of 40-50 students per class to one teacher. The teachers do not always speak good English and therefore many times the education is carried out in local language. Theses are only few of the problems in the local schools.

By the end of year one the parent body who were all very happy about the methodology of the school as well as the development of their children decided to try play a more active part and the school became a part of the African charitable organisation Mbolo (run by two of the parents)and got turned into a project with the aim to help developing the Gambian educational system.

Mbolo is a charitable organisation established in The Gambia since 2010. Its aim is to accompany, strengthen and empower communities in The Gambia and Senegal regardless of race, religion or gender. It focuses on sustainable development strategies, gender equality, citizen participation and co-development, through plans of education, health and community development, in-order to reduce poverty and North-South inequalities.
Apart from the school Mbolo also runs a woman cooperative in the Gambian village Tujereng where women learn to read, write, use computers and sew.

The three girls in question were sponsored by an English lady who for personal reasons withdrew the sponsorship a short time ago.
Yes, the girls could return to local school but it would mean a big loss to their education and development. Yes, two of them are too old to be in the school but as it looks now they are learning a lot more there than they would in another school in the Gambia.

The school is a private school and the fees are in line or lower than many of the other private schools in the Gambia. It includes uniforms, breakfast and lunch, all school materials, study trips and self defense classes which is not included in any other school fees in the Gambia. The school is run as a project with the aim to not only introduce an active learning based methodology but to also train teachers. The first teacher and the first two classroom assistants are being trained now.

It is a huge project and everyone involved apart from the school staff are working on a voluntary basis along their regular fulltime positions.
I would be happy to send the project description to anyone who is interested and would also be happy to answer any questions in regards to the girls and the project.

I do however find it sad how fast people are to judge instead of trying to understand, find information and believe in the fact that there are people who actually ‘only’ wants to make a difference.

I have lived in Gambia for almost two years; I have a 7-year old myself and have had the chance to take a close look at the Gambian education system, first hand. This is my way of trying to give something back to a country that I have come to love, believe in and want to stay in."
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Old 06.12.2012, 23:36
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Re: 13 CHF donation - for three lovely girls in Gambia

You need to consider that the internet is a prime source of crime and posting a link to some fund raising site on a forum is a typical way such crimes profits. I am in a line of work where these are usually blocked and shut down as it is also the time of year when there is a huge increase in these occuring.

There is limited way to validate and the way your explanation is written is exactly how these fraud attacks also operate by trying to exploit the sympathy factor hence I would personally not trust any paypal link posted on this or any other forum where I dont personally know the source

Anyone who does otherwise makes their own coice of whether it is to be tristed
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You need to consider that the internet is a prime source of crime and posting a link to some fund raising site on a forum is a typical way such crimes profits. I am in a line of work where these are usually blocked and shut down as it is also the time of year when there is a huge increase in these occuring.

There is limited way to validate and the way your explanation is written is exactly how these fraud attacks also operate by trying to exploit the sympathy factor hence I would personally not trust any paypal link posted on this or any other forum where I dont personally know the source

Anyone who does otherwise makes their own coice of whether it is to be tristed
This I totally understand. That's why I mentioned it was very hard to write the post without it looking like a scam. I guess because the scam artist do the same as the people genuinly looking for support. And also why I have encouraged "follow your gut" feeling along with posting it on my business page / link to the school / charity organisation / email from my sister who lives there. Not sure, what else I could do really.

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There is limited way to validate and the way your explanation is written is exactly how these fraud attacks also operate by trying to exploit the sympathy factor hence I would personally not trust any paypal link posted on this or any other forum where I dont personally know the source
FGS, how else would you suggest the OP posts to avoid this "exact way."
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Old 07.12.2012, 08:57
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Re: 13 CHF donation - for three lovely girls in Gambia

Easy - such posts should be banned on EF due to the difficulty to determine the legitimate ones from the others since there is no vetting of membership.
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Old 07.12.2012, 09:06
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Re: 13 CHF donation - for three lovely girls in Gambia

I don't know OP or any of the people vouching for him, so I am making a choice not to donate. Others are free to make their choice.

I looked up the exchange rate, I was curious and I even saw a comparison to ZAR in the thread. One Euro is 39.52 Dalasi as of today. OP is asking for 2100 Euros, or just shy of 83,000 Dalasi.
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Old 07.12.2012, 09:11
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Re: 13 CHF donation - for three lovely girls in Gambia

I think it's a bit steep being accused of not being generous by people I don't know just because I ask some questions.

But each unto their own.

As for me, this scheme doesn't convince me. Too many questions that I feel are still unanswered.

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As for me, this scheme doesn't convince me. Too many questions that I feel are still unanswered.
Indeed, everyone to their own. What questions is it that you feel are unanswered?

Yesterday I was talking more to sister about the situation. Since I know very little about it - easy to get stuck in your own little bubble (at least for me). And this is what I learnt:
- The school for girls are free but ...
- Books/ Uniform/Food you have to pay for yourself
- They use physical punishment in school
- Girls get sexually abused by male teachers
- The classes usually consist of 40-50 teachers
- In gambia there are usually 100 new teachers each year. The population of gambia is 1.7million people where 600 000 are under age of 18. The ratio in other words is not good.

What I dont understand either - it is not like I am asking for that much money. If I or anyone else wanted to do a "Scheme" or a "Scam" Im sure they would be smarter than this - like selling a car that doesnt work. You get 30 000 chf and then you are ou of there. I am looking for 2100euros so I can buy my sister time to find a long term sponsor. Actually reaching 700 euros will also by her time because then they can at least continue for one more term in their school.

I have been on this forum since 2008 (that's when I came to Switzerland). Would I go through all this trouble just to make 2100 CHF? Would I "team up" with EF veterans who has posted thousands of post?

I personally don't like donations which goes every month from your account because I don't feel it goes to a particular goal. I like to see the impact of where the money goes. This is why I was asking for a one-time payment and the exact amount in order to reach the goal for this particular case.
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Old 07.12.2012, 11:23
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I have been on this forum since 2008 (that's when I came to Switzerland). Would I go through all this trouble just to make 2100 CHF? Would I "team up" with EF veterans who has posted thousands of post?
I never said you are scamming us.

But just because it's not a scam doesn't necessarily make it wise.

For example this story about the two girls who are too old for the school but still attend it. How does that work? What are they being taught? Is there really no more suitable school for them?

And on what basis are the pupils for this school selected? Do they just randomly select poor kids and take them out of the state school system and put them in a private school? I'm trying to think how I would feel if some ultra-rich guys came here and randomly selected kids for their private school. I don't think I'd be happy about it, even if the state system sucked beyond all measure. It's about outsiders coming in to decide who's going to be a winner and who's going to be a loser. Of course the intention is good, but I'm not sure it's been thought through. I prefer to support things that benefit as many people as possible.
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I prefer to support things that benefit as many people as possible.
That is fair enough. Support what you believe is right.

Personally, I believe it is right to support these kids. I was given a scholarship and attended an international school in Norway (https://uwcrcn.no/) - we were 200 people from 80 different countries. It exposed me to stories that was a shock to my system. But it educated me and helped me to help others (since I am in a really fortunate situation - by living in Switzerland and being born in the right part of the world) - If I was not in a fortunate situation and didn't get the education then I don't think I would be sitting here and be doing this. I would fight to survive I guess. So good people needs to be given the opportunity to do something good. So giving these girls a good education and childhood may allow them to grow within their communities and also give back. Im sure there are rich parents that pay for some kids but these kids are on sponsorship.

Are these people 'good people'? Do they deserve it more than others? I dont know. I just need to hope they are good people . And all it costs me is 10 euros (and in my case - some time to write in this forum )
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That is fair enough. Support what you believe is right.

Personally, I believe it is right to support these kids. I was given a scholarship and attended an international school in Norway (https://uwcrcn.no/) - we were 200 people from 80 different countries. It exposed me to stories that was a shock to my system. But it educated me and helped me to help others (since I am in a really fortunate situation - by living in Switzerland and being born in the right part of the world) - If I was not in a fortunate situation and didn't get the education then I don't think I would be sitting here and be doing this. I would fight to survive I guess. So good people needs to be given the opportunity to do something good. So giving these girls a good education and childhood may allow them to grow within their communities and also give back. Im sure there are rich parents that pay for some kids but these kids are on sponsorship.

Are these people 'good people'? Do they deserve it more than others? I dont know. I just need to hope they are good people . And all it costs me is 10 euros (and in my case - some time to write in this forum )
How much more do you need to cover the next year?
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Re: 13 CHF donation - for three lovely girls in Gambia

Threads like this, and the resulting ridiculous discussions like this over why people should have what they have are the reason I will never donate money to Africa. Raising 700 Euros for one child to attend school, when thousands don't even have a basic education in schools that cost a fraction of that per year, seems completely out of skew, a request based on personal emotional involvement, rather than a general desire to help larger groups of people get basic education.

And further, I don't think posts on EF asking for donations should be allowed, as the potential for abuse is huge.
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Re: 13 CHF donation - for three lovely girls in Gambia

As far as I am concerned, I think OPs personal efforts for this cause are very very nice. And since several EF veterans confirmed his identity (and the cause) I think I have no reasons to be suspicious.

On the other hand - discussion "why those three girls" or "should they deserve elitist education" - I mean, c'mon? Really? ???
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Re: 13 CHF donation - for three lovely girls in Gambia

Right now we have 538 euros.

Each school year has 3 terms - if I raise 700 euros then the three girls can at least go for one more term. If I raise 2100 euros then the three of them can go the entire year.

Within that time we hope to find a long-term sponsor.
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.... when thousands don't even have a basic education in schools that cost a fraction of that per year,....
So now you've highlighted the real problem, how are you going to fix it? Or do you want to stick your head in the sand over that one too?

For sure you have the right not to donate, but give the guy a break. At least he is trying to solve something that means something to him.
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So now you've highlighted the real problem, how are you going to fix it? Or do you want to stick your head in the sand over that one too?
If for example we're talking about famine, and you go to the famine area and select two or three people at random and fly them to a five star restaurant and dine them on caviar for a week ... and if somebody questions the wisdom of that, you reply with something like "those who don't like it are sticking their heads in the sand" or "it's better to help these couple of guys than to help no-one at all". Sorry, it's totally missing the point.

Isn't it better to give lots of people just a little bit and so create opportunity for some of those to go forwards and build on that, rather than picking the winners beforehand.

If for example you're concerned that there aren't enough teachers being trained, why not donate something to a teacher-training college to do something about it? If you're concerned about sexual abuse by teachers in state schools, there's something you can do about that too. And these things would benefit everybody.
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If for example we're talking about famine, and you go to the famine area and select two or three people at random and fly them to a five star restaurant and dine them on caviar for a week ... and if somebody questions the wisdom of that, you reply with something like "those who don't like it are sticking their heads in the sand" or "it's better to help these couple of guys than to help no-one at all". Sorry, it's totally missing the point.

Isn't it better to give lots of people just a little bit and so create opportunity for some of those to go forwards and build on that, rather than picking the winners beforehand.

If for example you're concerned that there aren't enough teachers being trained, why not donate something to a teacher-training college to do something about it? If you're concerned about sexual abuse by teachers in state schools, there's something you can do about that too. And these things would benefit everybody.
amogles,

I understand your line of reasoning. I dont agree with it, but I think I understand what you are saying.

However, don't you think that it is a wrong thread to argue your point? There could be a place where you would argue of merits of systematic help vs random, or similar. But it is not this place. This place is about donation for 3 beautiful girls in order to continue their education.
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However, don't you think that it is a wrong thread to argue your point? There could be a place where you would argue of merits of systematic help vs random, or similar. But it is not this place. This place is about donation for 3 beautiful girls in order to continue their education.
The OP is asking for donations, so it is legitimate to ask questions.

Would these three girls be less worthy of an education if they were ugly for example?
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