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Old 10.12.2012, 14:09
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You are not from the "third world" so it's all right for you. Those you live in the third don't really like being referred to as such.

Why don't you do your job and delete all posts that you find off topic? Maybe starting with your own.

And give me a break with the nitpicking. Those in glass houses and all that.
I must admit that I was not aware of the "correct" usage of first, second, and third world. I have learned something today, so thanks, even if the terms do still seem applicable in my opinion.

On the other hand, the last time I checked, being a mod is voluntary, not a "job". He has no obligation to follow member's demands. LiB is helping to keep this site as great as it is. Some might believe that mods should leave their opinion at the door. In LiBs case that would just be a waste of resources.
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Old 10.12.2012, 14:53
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It's not really correct to use the phrase "third world" as there really isn't a "third world" any more. Developing country would be probably be better. Although why not just say "Tanzania has a first rate passport control system"?
oh dear. Mr VC uses a nice little play on words in his title, makes a thread without reference to veganism or beating people up and then you come an de-rail the whole thing with this post.

for shame, minimia. for shame!
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Old 10.12.2012, 14:55
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Interestingly, according to wikipedia was also a third world country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World
And because it is in Internet, it must be true and we shall call them like that.

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Having lived not doing the tourist thing but actually lived in a few of those countries, I can tell you that the last thing on those poor people mind is what the west calls them.
Most are to busy during daylight hours finding food for the single evening meal.
Disagree, with real evidence of 30+ years living in a few of those countries. On both statements. Specially the generalization on the gathering food piece. Yes, there are far too many people trying to bring food to their plates daily, but there are also many people beyond that poverty line who understand the diminishing meaning of the words and really prefer the "developing nation" denomination. Granted that many of these countries will take longer to find the real path to development, but not because of that, they stop considering the terms insulting.
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Old 10.12.2012, 15:11
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Here we go again...
Now that it has its own thread, this is not relevant. And the mod who split he thread might consider a proper title, e.g. The correct terminology for developing countries. This is not a PC discussion.

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I must admit that I was not aware of the "correct" usage of first, second, and third world. I have learned something today, so thanks, even if the terms do still seem applicable in my opinion.
Agree. Now, moving on, what exactly is the correct terminology and give me the proof. Preferably not wiki which can be edited by any Tom, Dick or Harry.

TIA.
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Old 10.12.2012, 15:15
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That map is from 1989...
Nope.

1975.

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Old 10.12.2012, 15:15
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oh dear. Mr VC uses a nice little play on words in his title, makes a thread without reference to veganism or beating people up and then you come an de-rail the whole thing with this post.

for shame, minimia. for shame!
I don't care who made the OP. But I can't see this needing it's own thread. The other topic wasn't nearly as interesting.

Oh, and PS, as was said before it's nothing to do with "political correctness" at all. If you are going to start a thread for me perhaps you could let me pick my own thread that reflects what I want to convey. Otherwise, you can start you own thread about the issue.
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Old 10.12.2012, 15:26
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I don't care who made the OP. But I can't see this needing it's own thread. The other topic wasn't nearly as interesting.

Oh, and PS, as was said before it's nothing to do with "political correctness" at all. If you are going to start a thread for me perhaps you could let me pick my own thread that reflects what I want to convey. Otherwise, you can start you own thread about the issue.
Well, you chose to derail the previous thread...so please do tell me your preferred titel and I'm happy to change it for ya.
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Old 10.12.2012, 15:27
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Well, you chose to derail the previous thread...so please do tell me your preferred titel and I'm happy to change it for ya.
Come on LiB.....she made one post and then fought her corner when pushed. She didn't do the derailing at all
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Re: Political correctness of "third world" terminology

Hmmm I come from one of those developing countries and to tell you the truth the term 'third world' does not really insult me so...meh
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Come on LiB.....she made one post and then fought her corner when pushed. She didn't do the derailing at all
Agree. Takes two to tango and all that...

Now which one is the the toll and which the trollee is a topic for another thread
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Old 10.12.2012, 15:33
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Hmmm I come from one of those developing countries and to tell you the truth the term 'third world' does not really insult me so...meh
Switzerland is in the third world going by that definition. And Iran is in the first world.

The problem is that the definition means something else since it's based on a countries political affiliation with regards to communism, that's all..

It's like the term antisemitism being applied to palestinians when palestinians are technically Semites, but all Jews are not (since Ashkenazi Jews are not Semites) It's factually incorrect, but people still use it.
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Re: Political correctness of "third world" terminology

Since I started this whole debate, here are my thoughts all this.

When ever I talk to friend or family I always say third world to bring out the very fact that these mostly poor people lives are really NOTHING like ours in every way.

Firstly most have much more common sense as getting hurt or injured over there is a major life changing problem.

Most are very poor but will always have a smile for you and be very helpful.
The shops (If you can call them such are very different and may hold as little as 50 products, Toilets are mostly non existent,
TV in only a very few homes.
Transport legs or 50 year old bikes,
The difference between our world and theirs is like the moon and the sun.
I am not talking about the big cities in such countries but the backwater town, far away from the tourist route.

Not trying to pour petrol on a fire here, just explaining how I think
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Switzerland is in the third world going by that definition. And Iran is in the first world.

The problem is that the definition means something else since it's based on a countries political affiliation with regards to communism, that's all..

It's like the term antisemitism being applied to palestinians when palestinians are technically Semites, but all Jews are not (since Ashkenazi Jews are not Semites) It's factually incorrect, but people still use it.
An expression from my 'developing country' comes to mind...
are you going on about? What definition am I using? I think you need to learn to quote properly...
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Old 10.12.2012, 15:57
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Re: Political correctness of "third world" terminology



i hate the term third world. somehow it makes me feel like i'm not from the same world as people here in europe or the us or where ever else considered 1st world. it just sounds really condescending but that's just my opinion.
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Old 10.12.2012, 16:06
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Re: Political correctness of "third world" terminology

I remember at school in Australia in the 90's, studying Geography and Economics, they wanted to move away from 'third world' and in Geography we used 'economic south' and 'economic north' because you could basically divide countries based on their economies, and most of the rich ones were north of the equator and and the poorer ones 'south'.

'Third World' is not considered politically correct, but we all know what you mean, and I'd venture to day that if you use it a lot and feel comfortable using that term then you're probably over 40 and not working in any sort of aid/development organisation

'Developing countries' as a general term may be more PC. But generally if you're working in aid/development you break it down and talk specifically about a certain country, region, population group, or social issue, rather than referring to the 'third world' or 'developing countries' - as pointed out, some so-called 'developing' countries have things going for them that are superior to 'the west'. There's another term for you 'West' - 'western' - means something as well, and the alternative is not just 'eastern'...

From my small experience working with an aid organisation that was considered progressive, we would never generalise or assume that because we've seen rural India, remote areas of Mongolia, Yemen and Sudan, that we can generalise the needs or struggles of people in central or eastern Africa, for example.

The aid organisation I worked with made judgements based on remoteness and what they considered 'level of need' - Kenya vs Democratic republic of Congo - geographically close, but quite remarkable differences in access to health care, medical supplies, education and personal security...

In short, no 'third world' is not considered politically correct and if you said it around anyone who works in the international aid/development area, they would probably cringe and smile politely...
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Old 10.12.2012, 16:24
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i hate the term third world. somehow it makes me feel like i'm not from the same world as people here in europe or the us or where ever else considered 1st world. it just sounds really condescending but that's just my opinion.
So you'd much rather be called developing as in underdeveloped?
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Old 10.12.2012, 16:32
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So you'd much rather be called developing as in underdeveloped?
oops, didn't know there were only two options . perhaps it could just suffice to call countries by their name or even geographical locations. in my case you could just say 'the happiest people in the world' and that would be enough

either way. it's not underdeveloped, it's all subjective and an argument that won't be started by me- but hard to say one place is more civilized or developed than another- non? i don't know if i could say switzerland is more developed or civilized than places considered '3rd world', could you?
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Old 10.12.2012, 16:39
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oops, didn't know there were only two options . perhaps it could just suffice to call countries by their name or even geographical locations. in my case you could just say 'the happiest people in the world' and that would be enough

either way. it's not underdeveloped, it's all subjective and an argument that won't be started by me- but hard to say one place is more civilized or developed than another- non? i don't know if i could say switzerland is more developed or civilized than places considered '3rd world', could you?
Good argument but unfortunately as humans, we like to categorize, especially when dealing with geographical/political boundries. Also for statistical purposes, one could argue, that there is a treshold of some sort which separates a somewhat well functioning populace from a lesser established country. Is it fair? Maybe or maybe not, unfortunately however, as long as there are countries around the world claiming sovereignty over a geographical territory or people, then I'm afraid that we're stuck with the classification of the "worlds".
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Old 10.12.2012, 16:46
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Re: Political correctness of "third world" terminology

Personally, I never knew that "third world" was politically incorrect. At work, I'm a big pusher of politically correctness, socially--I tend to be the polar opposite :P

My mom always said she was from a third world country, I don't think it ever bothered her as a term, more bothering her for the tough social climate there. That being said, she wasn't very educated, perhaps due to 'developing world' ideals.
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Good argument but unfortunately as humans, we like to caegorize, especially when dealing with geographical/political boundries. Also for statistical purposes, one could argue, that there is a treshold of some sort which separates a somewhat well functioning populace from a lesser established country. Is it fair? Maybe or maybe not, unfortunately however, as long as there are countries around the world claiming sovereignty over a geographical territory or people, then I'm afraid that we're stuck with the classification of the "worlds".
perhaps but that sort of classification has nothing to say. is it economic status? after looking at some economic horror stories in europe, i'd say no. is it, as you say, 'well functioning'? hmm, that's interesting and seemingly hard to judge. would you describe switzerland as well functioning? it seems with some of your previous comments you wouldn't. is it language, race, culture? it seems some things that those labelled first world have in common. in terms of being stuck with the use of worlds, i think the only people who use those terms are, as sweetpea said- over 40 and not working in an international setting. i'd even go a bit further and say you are probably a white person from the 'first world' , but that'd be an assumption. gotta say lib, i'm a bit surprised at your stance recently- quite similar to 1st world thinking lately
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