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Old 08.12.2012, 16:59
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Political correctness of "third world" terminology

It's not really correct to use the phrase "third world" as there really isn't a "third world" any more. Developing country would be probably be better. Although why not just say "Tanzania has a first rate passport control system"?

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Old 08.12.2012, 17:11
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It's not really correct to use the phrase "third world" as there really isn't a "third world" any more. Developing country would be probably be better. Although why not just say "Tanzania has a first rate passport control system"?
Here we go again...
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Old 08.12.2012, 17:22
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Interestingly, according to wikipedia was also a third world country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

It doesn't have such a sophisticated passport control though
There WAS a third world. There isn't a third world any more since the Cold War has ended.

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Old 08.12.2012, 17:30
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There WAS a third world. There isn't a third world any more since the Cold War has ended.



You are not obliged to read every post. Trust me I don't reply to every post you make which I don't like.
Like I care. You don't need to nitpick on every possible futile disparity you encounter on the EF...and fyi, if a place has limited water/food/medical supplies and great poverty/violence/oppression, then it sure can be classifiesd as a third world country, no matter what political correct terminology you're trying to spin this around with.
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There WAS a third world. There isn't a third world any more since the Cold War has ended.



You are not obliged to read every post. Trust me I don't reply to every post you make which I don't like.

But Switzerland was a third world country too. it is something very different than a developing country.
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Re: Third world country first rate passport control

Pardon my french, I am not politically correct at times, but a country that has mostly no running water or toilets in their homes

Has a basic wage of about 100 US dollars a month.

High rate of baby mortality death rates, poor hospital system and no security net social system fall as third world in my honest opinion, no matter how others choose to call it

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Re: Third world country first rate passport control

I think with you and a few other it does not matter what I post it's more of a case of say ad hominem

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Interestingly, according to wikipedia was also a third world country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

It doesn't have such a sophisticated passport control though
That map is from 1989... Germany is divided, Iran is a first world country and the Soviet Union is still alive.
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Old 10.12.2012, 13:07
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Like I care. You don't need to nitpick on every possible futile disparity you encounter on the EF...and fyi, if a place has limited water/food/medical supplies and great poverty/violence/oppression, then it sure can be classifiesd as a third world country, no matter what political correct terminology you're trying to spin this around with.
You are not from the "third world" so it's all right for you. Those you live in the third don't really like being referred to as such.

Why don't you do your job and delete all posts that you find off topic? Maybe starting with your own.

And give me a break with the nitpicking. Those in glass houses and all that.
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Old 10.12.2012, 13:14
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You are not from the "third world" so it's all right for you.
You know me that well huh.

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Those you live in the third don't really like being referred to as such.

Why don't you do your job and delete all posts that you find off topic? Maybe starting with your own.

And give me a break with the nitpicking. Those in glass houses and all that.
I believe that those who live in the "third world" might just have bigger worries than thinking about what they're being labeled as in the 1st world.

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You are not from the "third world"
You've never been to Olten, have you?
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Re: Third world country first rate passport control

Having lived not doing the tourist thing but actually lived in a few of those countries, I can tell you that the last thing on those poor people mind is what the west calls them.
Most are to busy during daylight hours finding food for the single evening meal.

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You are not from the "third world" so it's all right for you. Those you live in the third don't really like being referred to as such.

Why don't you do your job and delete all posts that you find off topic? Maybe starting with your own.

And give me a break with the nitpicking. Those in glass houses and all that.
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Old 10.12.2012, 13:23
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Have not gotten there yet
Not really connected with this thread but I thought you were Australian. Do they also use "gotten" like North Americans?

(Rather than writing, for example, "I have not been there yet")

I just wondered.
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You are not from the "third world" so it's all right for you. Those you live in the third don't really like being referred to as such.

Why don't you do your job and delete all posts that you find off topic? Maybe starting with your own.

And give me a break with the nitpicking. Those in glass houses and all that.
i thought LiB was from the third word: poverty, violence, lack of medical supplies.

(this describes the US, right?)
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Not really connected with this thread but I thought you were Australian. Do they also use "gotten" like North Americans?

(Rather than writing, for example, "I have not been there yet")

I just wondered.
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It's not really correct to use the phrase "third world" as there really isn't a "third world" any more. Developing country would be probably be better. Although why not just say "Tanzania has a first rate passport control system"?
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Like I care. You don't need to nitpick on every possible futile disparity you encounter on the EF...and fyi, if a place has limited water/food/medical supplies and great poverty/violence/oppression, then it sure can be classifiesd as a third world country, no matter what political correct terminology you're trying to spin this around with.
I think that the point was very reasonably made and - for what its worth - I think that the reaction is a little patronising. MiniMia is never a poster who attacks personally (unless she launches some wicked PMs that I've never seen!) and I don't think she deserves to be cornered like this.

Importantly, her comment was also accurate and nothing to do with political correctness (of which, by the way, I am a HUGE fan). The term Third World was always a political one, not an economic one and so the term makes no sense post the fall of the Soviet Union - there is no longer a Second World so how can there be a Third World.
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Old 10.12.2012, 13:39
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You are not from the "third world" so it's all right for you. Those you live in the third don't really like being referred to as such.

Why don't you do your job and delete all posts that you find off topic? Maybe starting with your own.

And give me a break with the nitpicking. Those in glass houses and all that.
To be fair, he clearly stated that:
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[...] if a place has limited water/food/medical supplies and great poverty/violence/oppression, then it sure can be classifiesd as a third world country [...]
Maybe his country of origin qualifies according to this definition? In this case it would rather be self-referring than name calling

I think it is not a word I would use as it has a judgemental tone to it, but Wikipedia clearly says that it has bee used as synonym lately:

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Over the last few decades, the term 'Third World' has been used interchangeably with the Global South and Developing Countries to describe poorer countries that have struggled to attain steady economic development.
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Old 10.12.2012, 13:53
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You know me that well huh.
I know, I know, it's worse than Afghanistan here. But you'll survive. I can send you some care packages if you need them.

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I believe that those who life in the "third world" might just have bigger worries than thinking about what they're being labeled as in the 1st world.
That's a bit naive.

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True. I haven't been there. But I could look into volunteering for one of the relief organizations that work there.

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Having lived not doing the tourist thing but actually lived in a few of those countries, I can tell you that the last thing on those poor people mind is what the west calls them.
Most are to busy during daylight hours finding food for the single evening meal.
Well, maybe where you lived but not where I lived. They are very much in tune with how the west treats them and they aren't very happy about it.

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i thought LiB was from the third word: poverty, violence, lack of medical supplies.

(this describes the US, right?)
Well, I know Switzerland looks like Afghanistan in his eyes, but I don't think that counts as a developing nation.

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Importantly, her comment was also accurate and nothing to do with political correctness (of which, by the way, I am a HUGE fan). The term Third World was always a political one, not an economic one and so the term makes no sense post the fall of the Soviet Union - there is no longer a Second World so how can there be a Third World.
I do like historical accuracy. But that's probably because I'm pedantic and nit picky.
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I do like historical accuracy. But that's probably because I'm pedantic and nit picky.
Historical accuracy is irrelevant when it comes to words. What matters is usage and context, and Vegan_Chefs usage of the term (in a non-scientific, broadly descriptive way) was correct and understood.

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Due to the complex history of evolving meanings and contexts, there is no clear or agreed upon definition of the Third World and the term is now less popular than it was during the 1970s and 1980s.
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