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29.07.2010, 15:41
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | Studies have shown that there ain't that much pleasure derived from your foreskin either. | | | | | My studies have proved otherwise.
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29.07.2010, 15:41
| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | But you said it was a problem with a fact . . . are we talking empirical content or logic here? | | | | | It was in relation to the rest of his rant(s)
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29.07.2010, 15:43
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | My studies have proved otherwise. | | | | | n=1 doesn't mean much in studies   | 
29.07.2010, 15:44
| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | n=1 doesn't mean much in studies    | | | | | especially when conducted with snail foam in el bulli...outlier fetishes don't tell us much...
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29.07.2010, 15:45
| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | n=1 doesn't mean much in studies    | | | | | Plus he would have to be snipped for before and after for a proper study.
We'd also need a women with the same tightness of vagina I'd imagine. Is there a way to measure that?
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29.07.2010, 15:46
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | It was in relation to the rest of his rant(s) | | | | | So then not a logical fallacy; just an incorrect fact. You've done this before: use term 'illogical fallacy' in reference to just one post rahter than context of the whole thread/argument.
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29.07.2010, 15:50
| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | So then not a logical fallacy; just an incorrect fact. You've done this before: use term 'illogical fallacy' in reference to just one post rahter than context of the whole thread/argument. | | | | | Since I've cleared up that it was in relation to all your rants what is the point of this post?
I did a search for 'porsch1909' + 'logical fallacy' and it only came up with this thread. So I've not done it before. Well not on EF anyway.
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29.07.2010, 15:51
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | Plus he would have to be snipped for before and after for a proper study.
We'd also need a women with the same tightness of vagina I'd imagine. Is there a way to measure that? | | | | | You mean increase the study population to n=2?
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29.07.2010, 15:55
| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | You mean increase the study population to n=2? | | | | | I'm not even sure why sexual pleasure is an issue since most people wouldn't know the difference!
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29.07.2010, 15:55
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | n=1 doesn't mean much in studies    | | | | | I'm rarely in favour of a phenomenological approach, but as this is a qualitative study and I have a privileged perspective, you'll just have to trust me.
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29.07.2010, 15:56
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | I'm not even sure why sexual pleasure is an issue since most people wouldn't know the difference! | | | | | What? Between my earlobe and my foreskin? Talk about arse and elbow!
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29.07.2010, 15:57
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | Since I've cleared up that it was in relation to all your rants what is the point of this post?
I did a search for 'porsch1909' + 'logical fallacy' and it only came up with this thread. So I've not done it before. Well not on EF anyway. | | | | | Well then you just don't make sense.
P.S. Do a better search with wider parameters.
This is fun: both you and Economisto. I will not type so fast next time to leave myself open to errors of percentages. Although I would never compare herpes to breast cancer. The former is a condition you can prevent and avoid. The latter is a bit more difficult and is life-threatening. I had ear infections as a kid but it was never an option to chop it off ( I am not comparing to Soles example which was obviously a specific case); but then that is not the argument anyways; the comparable case would be to chop off everyone's ears cuz there is chance of ear infections as a kid.
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29.07.2010, 15:59
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | ...the comparable case would be to chop off everyone's ears cuz there is chance of ear infections as a kid. | | | | | <sigh> but is there proof that chopping the ear off would help reduce the risk?
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29.07.2010, 15:59
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | I'm not even sure why sexual pleasure is an issue since most people wouldn't know the difference! | | | | | True true. One wouldn't be aware if one had a lobotamy.
I guess if someone chopped out my optic nerves when I was just born, I also wouldn't know the difference as I wouldn't ever know what it would be like to see.
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29.07.2010, 16:00
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | <sigh> but is there proof that chopping the ear off would help reduce the risk? | | | | | Well my ear can't get infected if it's not there, can it.
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29.07.2010, 16:02
| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | Well then you just don't make sense.
P.S. Do a better search with wider parameters.
This is fun: both you and Economisto. I will not type so fast next time to leave myself open to errors of percentages. Although I would never compare herpes to breast cancer. The former is a condition you can prevent and avoid. The latter is a bit more difficult and is life-threatening. I had ear infections as a kid but it was never an option to chop it off ( I am not comparing to Soles example which was obviously a specific case); but then that is not the argument anyways; the comparable case would be to chop off everyone's ears cuz there is chance of ear infections as a kid. | | | | | Okay. You win. I give up.
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29.07.2010, 16:05
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | Okay. You win. I give up. | | | | | Look buddy, don't say illogical fallacy when it was an incorrect fact in reponse to your logic. Read my original post; it still stands.
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29.07.2010, 16:05
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?
I do get the feeling that many medical papers on the subject are written by those with an opinion to support.
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29.07.2010, 16:06
| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | True true. One wouldn't be aware if one had a lobotamy.
I guess if someone chopped out my optic nerves when I was just born, I also wouldn't know the difference as I wouldn't ever know what it would be like to see. | | | | | You're hilarious. If this was an argument between cutting a whole penis of and not then that would be a reasonable comparison.
Someone who is circumcised can still have sex. Can still enjoy sex. Saying someone has more pleasure with a foreskin than without is purely subjective.
You'd need have the same person doing a before and after with the same women, using the same positions, since there are so many different factors in having pleasurable sex. Saying 'I have a foreskin I have better sex LOL' is just so ignorant.
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29.07.2010, 16:07
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| | Re: Circumcision: right or wrong? | Quote: | |  | | | Well my ear can't get infected if it's not there, can it. | | | | | If you remove the ear lobe, the rest of the ear is still there (and won't function as well).
If you remove the foreskin, the glans/penis is still there. Does the penis function better/worse... well that's up for debate isn't it. Certainly from a reproduction point of view and going for a piss, it seems to work fine whether you are a round head or cavalier.
I ask again, do you have any evidence, that chopping off the ear lobe will reduce the chance of infection? | Quote: | |  | | | I do get the feeling that many medical papers on the subject are written by those with an opinion to support. | | | | | I'd agree with that opinion. They've all got research grants to fund, don't you know...
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