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gooner 26.12.2007 10:52

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
You guys are hijacking the thread.

The OP never asked for your opinion, in which case maybe you shouldn't offer it. If you want to wage a war whereby you can ram your opinion down everybody's throat, please start your own thread titled 'circumcision, to cut or not to cut'

Thread hijacking is not appreciated.

Guest 26.12.2007 11:43

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by gooner (Post 149408)
You guys are hijacking the thread.

The OP never asked for your opinion, in which case maybe you shouldn't offer it. If you want to wage a war whereby you can ram your opinion down everybody's throat, please start your own thread titled 'circumcision, to cut or not to cut'

Thread hijacking is not appreciated.

How many threads on this forum asking a question are answered straight forward without members' opinions??

It is such a controversial subject that people are bound to respond with feeling rather than "I know a guy who cuts - PM me for his mobile number..." End of thread.

I think it is helpful to the OP to get a balance of opinion - there may be some aspects he has not considered. Some of the contributors are for the procedure and and some are against. The thread has stayed on topic therefore it hasn't really been hijacked, has it?

colin 26.12.2007 12:02

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
Sir Francis Drake circumcised the globe with a 40 foot Cutter

Shorrick Mk2 26.12.2007 12:17

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by dwilkinson (Post 149406)
I dont understand why people think that they have a right to judge others believes or decisions. No one asked you wether you agree with circumcision or not. The family has made a decision and all they need is some advice. Why people keep getting involved in other businesses? I really dont like this forum anymore...All you get is unwanted opinions but not real advice!

Precisely because it's a forum where people also voice opinions and not a plain-vanilla information directory or a manned version of the yellow pages...

rhythmical remedy 26.12.2007 13:06

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 149355)
Was referring to the God comment that he made, rather than comparing circumcision to those things.

Which backs up my point that doing anything for religious reasons is foolish. I mean if I was religious then why would I want to mess with god's perfect design? Unless god's design is imperfect? :p

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I don't disagree with your overall sentiment but... Appendix, tonsils, wisdom teeth, etc...
All serve a purpose or have in the past. If foreskin was useless then evolution would have taken care of it. Anyway foreskin as it stands is very helpful just ask my circumcised friend who used to constantly complain about not being able to masturbate properly or his frustration at not being able to come during intercourse.

Women get breast cancer sometimes so should we chop their tits off as well? Just to be safe? Sensible parents should NOT mess with their kid's raincoat for religious or cultural reasons.

The foreskin - What it does

The foreskin performs several important functions. Most of these functions center on making sex more enjoyable, not only for just one, but for both partners-

Protection
Makes sex feel better
Lubricates during intercourse
Lubricates during masturbation
Reduces the drop insensitivity through age
Increases sensitivity slowing intercourse

dwilkinson 26.12.2007 13:22

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 149420)
Precisely because it's a forum where people also voice opinions and not a plain-vanilla information directory or a manned version of the yellow pages...


Has anyone asked for opinion in this thread? There are plenty of threads for disscusions and if its not enough, create your own one.

rhythmical remedy 26.12.2007 13:44

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gooner (Post 149408)
You guys are hijacking the thread.

The OP never asked for your opinion, in which case maybe you shouldn't offer it. If you want to wage a war whereby you can ram your opinion down everybody's throat, please start your own thread titled 'circumcision, to cut or not to cut'

Thread hijacking is not appreciated.

Could I start a thread about where I could get my daughter circumcised (FGM) without anyone voicing their opinion? I know it's not exactly same as male circumcision but if my culture/religion/yadda yadda would allow FGM then would you refrain from passing value judgement and allow people to PM me the relevant butcher's contact details? Why be judgemental right? :eek:

FGM is illegal but it does happen in secret in Switzerland as well.

Bottom line is that if someone starts a thread on a PUBLIC forum then they have to be prepared to hear views of people opposed to such practices.

People opposed to circumcision are talking about relevant subject (circumcision) on this thread and not about unrelated topic like football. So please don't come out with "thread hijack" silliness.

dwilkinson 26.12.2007 14:22

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by rhythmical remedy (Post 149432)
Could I start a thread about where I could get my daughter circumcised (FGM) without anyone voicing their opinion? I know it's not exactly same as male circumcision but if my culture/religion/yadda yadda would allow FGM then would you refrain from passing value judgement and allow people to PM me the relevant butcher's contact details? Why be judgemental right? :eek:

FGM is illegal but it does happen in secret in Switzerland as well.

Let's link two unrelated issues by using the word 'circumcision'. Female Circumcision is a completely different issue to male circumcision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision

rhythmical remedy 26.12.2007 15:02

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by dwilkinson (Post 149435)
Let's link two unrelated issues by using the word 'circumcision'. Female Circumcision is a completely different issue to male circumcision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision

Ummm! and where exactly did I say male and female circumcision were exactly same? :msncrazy: Which part of "I know it's not exactly same as male circumcision " did you not understand? I guess you missed my point completely. I was saying that on a public forum when someone starts a thread about a controversial subject then one has to be prepared to get all kinds of views. You can't play the "thread hijack" card.

To further demonstrate my point I mentioned FGM. Meaning that if I started a thread asking purely the contact details of a person who carried the FGM procedure then would opponents of FGM be wrong to voice their opinion on that thread? Would they be classed as "thread hijackers" as well?

dwilkinson 26.12.2007 15:21

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Of course you would get opinions about FGM because its ILLEGAL!!!!! Male circumcision IN THIS THREAD had nothing to do with religion or stopping a person from having sex. Male circumcision is widely practised with some health benefits and it is completely up to parents whether they want to do this or not. This family has decided on having their son circumcised, and who are you to tell them that they are wrong if all they asked was for advice on a legal medical procedure?

Shorrick Mk2 26.12.2007 15:34

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Originally Posted by dwilkinson (Post 149430)
Has anyone asked for opinion in this thread? There are plenty of threads for disscusions and if its not enough, create your own one.

What I mean to say is that is not a paid-for service delivering uniquely what has been asked for. Go into a bar and ask a bunch of random people "Hey, where can I circumcise my child?" and see whether you get a balanced "Sure, call Mr. XYZ at such and such number". Sure, noise-to-information ratio should be kept at a minimal level, but on the other hand once people will get over the illusion that a forum is uniquely a manned google, they'll fare much better.

For an anti-useless discussion advocate you certainly seem to be adding fuel to the fire though.

dwilkinson 26.12.2007 15:41

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 149445)

For an anti-useless discussion advocate you certainly seem to be adding fuel to the fire though.

Im not against discussions, its just that people give their opinions on topics like 'circumcision' when the post asks for advice. Also rythmical remedy is just getting on my t**ts :)

rhythmical remedy 26.12.2007 16:01

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by dwilkinson (Post 149443)
Of course you would get opinions about FGM because its ILLEGAL!!!!!

Yes like I said illegal does not = does not happen. Smoking pot is illegal but I see threads about it as well. Meaning get over the legal illegal crap and use common sense.

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Male circumcision IN THIS THREAD had nothing to do with religion or stopping a person from having sex.
Are you the thread author? The person said he is not Jewish so he could very well be Muslim or Christian but wanting the chopping to be done by a doc. The opening post can be interpreted in many ways.
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Male circumcision is widely practised with some health benefits and it is completely up to parents whether they want to do this or not.
Do you see me holding a gun to the parents head? FGM is widely practised as well and does not stop the female from having actual sex. Enjoying sex is another matter. Male circumcision does effect sexual life like female circumcision but it does like my friend said.

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This family has decided on having their son circumcised, and who are you to tell them that they are wrong if all they asked was for advice on a legal medical procedure?
Just someone expressing my opinion so deal with it. Would you use the same logic with FGM if you were living in a country where FGM was not illegal?

Off to a party so happy arguing. I am done with this thread;)

ElJeFe 26.12.2007 18:56

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by rhythmical remedy (Post 149447)

Off to a party so happy arguing. I am done with this thread;)

IMHO That's the best posting you've done in this thread so far, thanx. Have a good party, and please stop groaning at people just because they have a different opinion, they are not out to insult you or anyone else.

Flashman4 26.12.2007 19:45

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
Of course there are other methods that don't involve surgery. See here for example .

Or if you want to grow another foreskin, see here.

wheels 27.12.2007 01:49

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
I have to say I was hoping for a different type of reply, but I also had an inkling the thread would go in this direction. Anyway, thanks to everyone who actually answered my questions. I would still appreciate any PM's (or posts, if you dare) from parents who have had their sons circumcised in Switzerland.

To those who are critical of our decision: just because my wife and I reached a different conclusion than you, please don't assume that we did not seriously consider this. Not that I need to explain myself, but in addition to researching it, she's seen circumcisions performed several times (and I've seen videos) and I myself am circumcised (and I somehow don't hate my parents for it). I really do appreciate the views and convictions of those who disagree with us, but it definitely was an informed decision and we believe we are choosing what's best for our future son. Nonetheless, I'm sure there are others who are not informed, so I don't object to your comments here.

rhythmical remedy 27.12.2007 21:52

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by ElJeFe (Post 149465)
IMHO That's the best posting you've done in this thread so far, thanx. Have a good party, and please stop groaning at people just because they have a different opinion, they are not out to insult you or anyone else.

Says the person who groaned at me first for having different opinion :p

Anyway party was ok. There was a phallus shaped candle burning in one corner and I smiled and thought about this thread. The top had melted away so I was not sure if it was cut or uncut :D I was tempted to ask the host though.

ElJeFe 27.12.2007 22:44

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by rhythmical remedy (Post 149612)
Says the person who groaned at me first for having different opinion :p

Anyway party was ok. There was a phallus shaped candle burning in one corner and I smiled and thought about this thread. The top had melted away so I was not sure if it was cut or uncut :D I was tempted to ask the host though.

Actually it was more of a retaliatory groan.... Anyways, what kind of party was that? Burning phallus candles with wax dripping off, sponsoring by Viagra or Cialis? Wondering if anyone blushed after seeing the candles. :D

Colonelboris 27.12.2007 22:53

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by alkas (Post 149363)
I see that everyone here have opinion about circumcision, but have anyone here ever had any real life experience or contact with this subject? Do you know anyone that have done it or had good/bad experiences with this.
Reading these comments, to me it seems that those who have strongest opinion about this subject never had any experience/contact with this subject.

I've never had any experience of having had both legs sawn off with a rusty hacksaw, but I can still make a fairly educated guess that it's not the greatest idea.
Now, with a username like 'rythmical remedy', I'd say he's a lot of (first) hand experience along this line, assuming frustration was the problem... :D
A certain medical friend of mine was forever treating a friend of his at the GUM clinic after holidays as he was circumcised and didn't want to wear condoms as he said he couldn't feel a thing due to desinsitisation from having his roll-neck taken off. He said that Kojak's head had rubbed against the inside of his trousers so much that there was almost no sensation left.

Andreas Stofer 28.12.2007 03:22

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by dwilkinson (Post 149435)
Let's link two unrelated issues by using the word 'circumcision'. Female Circumcision is a completely different issue to male circumcision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision

No it's not. This link states there are several types of female circumcision and Type 1 is exactly the same as male circumcision. So if you think male circumcision is okay you'll also have to accept that type 1 female circumcision is okay. What are you gonna say when I ask for advise for a Type 1 circumcision on my daughter? And also the northeastern african origins are the same:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...43/Fgm_map.gif

Where female circumcision is performed the boys are also circumcised. This is an african tribal thing that somehow made it into US popular culture. And what really annoys me that there is tremendous pressure in the US to circumcise boys. It's exactly the same pressure that makes people in africa circumcise girls (and boys).


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