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gbn 28.12.2007 05:29

Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?
 
"How far can I go in administering corporal punishment to my child?"
- It's not illegal here
- It's not for religious reasons
- It's the "done thing" where I come from

Sensible answers only please. I haven't asked for opinions.

rhythmical remedy 28.12.2007 11:59

Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?
 
Colonelboris nah I don't have any personal experience and I definitely was not frustrated when it came to sex or masturbation. I am a "destined for hell" sinner :)

ElJeFe it was no sex party :D It was a house party and the host had that candle just for laugh :)

puddycat 28.12.2007 12:21

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
Didn't the mod start this thread specifically for people to debate the issue (meaning give opinions ;))? The thread title includes, after all, "circumcision: right or wrong?"

The thread asking for advice is elsewhere and efficiently sports 3 posts, which get directly to the point...

I say hooray for foreskins. They are there for a reason, and religion/culture aside, just doing it for the hell of it causes more problems than it solves.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it! :D And I think they're fun too!

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Originally Posted by dwilkinson (Post 149446)
Im not against discussions, its just that people give their opinions on topics like 'circumcision' when the post asks for advice. Also rythmical remedy is just getting on my t**ts :)


gooner 28.12.2007 12:23

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by puddycat (Post 149683)
Didn't the mod start this thread specifically for people to debate the issue (meaning give opinions ;))? The thread title includes, after all, "circumcision: right or wrong?"

The thread asking for advice is elsewhere and efficiently sports 3 posts, which get directly to the point...

I say hooray for foreskins. They are there for a reason, and religion/culture aside, just doing it for the hell of it causes more problems than it solves.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it! :D And I think they're fun too!

That (the wilkinson post) was posted a long time before the thread was split (26.12.2007 and thread was split today).

i-b-deborah 28.12.2007 14:15

Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?
 
Off with their smelly, cheesy, wrinkly little heads, I say! Mind you, I might have another opinion if I had one of my own.

Kittster 03.01.2008 22:34

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
If you do want to do this, please make sure it is under anaesthetic, at least if the famous study done on the subject is to be believed. Babies who were circumcised without it under the age of 6 months were shown to be more sensitive to pain, than those who where anaesthetised, who in turn had a lower pain threshold than those who weren't circumcised at all.

Edwina 04.01.2008 00:59

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Quote:

Ask yourself this: If you were expecting a daughter would you want her to go through the same genital mutilation? You are expecting a perfect, healthy, beautiful baby boy.

Why do you want to change what Mother Nature made so perfect? :confused:

When our beautiful son was born we were so overjoyed at how perfect he was we couldn't have considered for one minute changing that by cutting bits off him. Obviously, if there had been a serious medical reason for changing any part of him we would have agreed straight away but, seeing your reasons for circumcision are not religious, rather cultural, I would advise you to wait until you see your newborn son before making your mind up.
Thank goodness, I am not "abnormal" for not having my son circumcised, I thought I was the only mother in the US for not having done so. I was critizised by many here in the US and started to feel terrible, but it seems in Europe it is just fine leaving our boys the way they were born.
When I was asked by the doctor in the hospital if I would like the procedure done, I thought "Is he crazy, what for?"

Kittster 04.01.2008 23:49

Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by I-b-deborah (Post 149697)
Off with their smelly, cheesy, wrinkly little heads, I say! Mind you, I might have another opinion if I had one of my own.

Bet some guys would say that about labia minora...

In other words, I disagree. Keep things the way they were made (unless there are medical reasons, as aforementioned), more fun. ;)

There are actually self-help groups for guys in the US who mourn the loss terribly and are trying all sorts of weird things to recreate some semblance of a foreskin. It's quite a big decision to make for someone else, I wouldn't like to have it made for me.

Colonelboris 05.01.2008 10:29

Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?
 
[All/more than] you ever wanted to know on the subject of foreskin restoration...
http://www.cirp.org/pages/restore.html

Edwina 05.01.2008 17:21

Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Colonelboris (Post 151400)
[All/more than] you ever wanted to know on the subject of foreskin restoration...
http://www.cirp.org/pages/restore.html

Plastic surgeons can make a lot of $.:D

GoogleJobDoc 25.01.2008 20:43

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
Hello Wheels-

Call +44 825 4141 and set up an appointment. They only perform this during the first 4 months or so after birth so you will have a small window of opportunity. The cost is 350 CHF. You will need cash.

The facility is the Tokterhuus
Dubendorfstr. 20
8117 Fallanden
praxis@ambikid.ch

This is likely the only place in Switzerland. They use the "bell" system and can give you more information.

Reception speaks enough English to give you an appointment. The doctor speaks great English. We used Frau Dr.med.N.Moser, however, PD Dr. med. JP. Pochon is also highly recommended.

Hope that helps.

Uncle Max 26.01.2008 16:33

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoogleJobDoc (Post 162810)
Hello Wheels-

Call +44 825 4141 and set up an appointment. They only perform this during the first 4 months or so after birth so you will have a small window of opportunity. The cost is 350 CHF. You will need cash.

The facility is the Tokterhuus
Dubendorfstr. 20
8117 Fallanden
praxis@ambikid.ch

This is likely the only place in Switzerland. They use the "bell" system and can give you more information.

Reception speaks enough English to give you an appointment. The doctor speaks great English. We used Frau Dr.med.N.Moser, however, PD Dr. med. JP. Pochon is also highly recommended.

Hope that helps.


Why is this number a UK land code? :confused: And why only cash?

Kittster 26.01.2008 17:25

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
I think it's 044 rather than +44. But the "only cash" thing is indeed strange...

itinerant 26.01.2008 19:22

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
The phone number will indeed be 044 (not +44). 044 is a Zurich prefix and matches the business address. While I don't know the clinic that was recommended, I don't find the cash only policy to be the least bit unusual for Switzerland. Many small businesses, not to mention a few large ones, do not accept credit cards here & since this procedure is not likely to be covered by insurance..

GoogleJobDoc 26.01.2008 20:48

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
My apologies - The correct number is prefix 044 ( Switzerland ) and not +44.

Re: the cash only part - it's their policy not mine- just wanting to save you a trip.

Good luck

mightymarce 01.02.2008 10:38

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
I asked my pediatrician about this, and I believe he said it's something he could do if we wanted, but he suggested it be done within 6 weeks of birth. If you've found a pediatrician already they might be the best person to ask about this, as far as when and how to get it done, etc. Depending on what insurance you have you may also be covered-- we have insurance through an American company (aetna global) and I imagine that since circ is so common in the US they would cover it, but Swiss insurance I guess does not.

rhythmical remedy 07.02.2008 02:32

Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?
 
Thought I would add today's news item from Swissinfo if someone is interested.
Quote:

Some 130 million women are affected by genital mutilation, mostly in Africa, the Middle East and Indonesia, but also in immigrant communities throughout the world, including Switzerland
Quote:

It is estimated that around 7,000 girls or women living in Switzerland are circumcised or are at risk of being so, 1,200 of whom are based in the Geneva region.

Unicef Switzerland has been campaigning against the extremely painful practice for years, focusing on protection and education.

Most mutilated girls in Switzerland come from Somalia, Ethiopia and Eritrea and the practice is carried out in secrecy and in unhygienic conditions. Girls are either taken abroad or those who carry out the cutting travel to Switzerland and mutilate them before leaving the country

Richard 20.02.2008 14:23

Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ml66uk (Post 149307)
Medical reasons to be circumcised are very rare btw, but almost unheard
of in boys under ten.

Actually medical reasons are certainly not unheard of in boys under ten. The medical reason usually exists from an early age and it is a question of when to do it and not if to do it in that case. Seeking advice from a specialist paediatrician they will tell you that not immediately after birth and not between the ages of 3-6, but any other time is fine. Furthermore, the surgeon who did our son, said there was around 10% of boys who needed the operation

In Switzerland a paediatrician will not perform a circumcision until the boy is at least a month old and will advise to wait until the child is around 2, which apparently is the optimal time to do this. Exceptions exist for Jews who have specific times when boys are circumcised (Apparently I am not an expert in this!)

And finally it is amongst surgeons qualified in the last 20 years universally rejected as an operation of need or indeed to be recommended. Before then it was believed the foreskin played no function in an adult male and useless once the protection required in childhood was no longer needed.

Obviously certain religions rightly or wrongly believe otherwise.

Colonelboris 20.02.2008 16:56

Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?
 
As it's in off-topic...

Did you hear about the cross-eyed circumcisionist?
He got the sack.

mikegray 25.02.2008 17:07

Re: Circumcision in Switzerland
 
This topic is old, but I thought I would add a quick comment on the "cash only" business.

Although I don't know that particular place, when I had my tubes snipped a few years back (the missus and I decided two kids would be enough), I was referred to an independent surgeon with a small practice. It was also a "cash on the barrel head" job. It seemed so weird at the time that I asked my GP (I didn't want somebody from the local Metzgerei moonlighting on my manliness!) My GP told that that was normal for operations that aren't covered by insurance.

Best,

Mike


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