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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

We have to be careful when we talk about mutilation here. To compare circumcision with genital mutilation is completely out of line. Some need to understand the word mutilation before to use it so easily.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

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As for spreading STDs, I think I would prefer to educate him not to sleep around without a proven barrier method of contraception rather than relying on some half-baked research that slicing off his foreskin will somehow prevent him contracting HIV.

But that's just us.
And us!

There's also the other thing which a barrier method helps prevent, "Dad, sorry, I just got yet another girl pregnant."
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

As for studies being done in Africa - I don't get the point. The issue is circumcised compared to non-circumcised and contraction of STDs (including HIV) and Cancer. This discussion is bizarre.

As for the snarky comment about the US not being Africa - in some US suburbs, the rate of HIV is higher than in West Africa... http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/...52G6J620090317
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We have to be careful when we talk about mutilation here. To compare circumcision with genital mutilation is completely out of line. Some need to understand the word mutilation before to use it so easily.
No one's mentioned mutilation in the last few pages (except you) so why do you keep bringing it up?
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Sorry, I don't see the logic: "let's cut off the end of this newborn baby boy's penis, just in case he's promiscuous in later life and refuses to use any form of barrier protection"
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

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We have to be careful when we talk about mutilation here. To compare circumcision with genital mutilation is completely out of line. Some need to understand the word mutilation before to use it so easily.
Why is it completely out of line ?

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedic...com/mutilation

mu·ti·la·tion (mytl-shn)
n. Disfigurement or injury by removal or destruction of a conspicuous or essential part of the body.

What element of cutting off a person's body is not by the above definition "mutilation" ?

The origins of genital mutilation as well as the "reasons" for same are identical in both sexes.
We even have evidence from people in this very thread of despising their parents for mutilating them and yet you still persist.
Why does a child not have the right to decide for themselves as an adult ?
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Old 07.09.2011, 16:04
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My reference to appendix and wisdom teeth was response to those that call circumcision mutilation. I can see where you might think "preventative appendectomy" is a continuation of my logic, but I do differentiate between invasive surgery (appendectomy) and an outpatient service. That said, is not uncommon to remove an appendix preventatively once a person is having surgery for something more urgent.
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Ach, your argument was almost making sense with links and quotes and everything until you plucked this daft comparison out of the air to end your post.

Do you really believe that an appendectomy or removal of wisdom teeth is mutilation?

The appendix is only removed when it endangers the life of the patient through blood poisoning and the wisdom tooth is only extracted when it is impacting (or shows through x-rays a future impaction) the surrounding teeth and compromising the jaw.

Now, can the same be said of a perfectly healthy penis with foreskin which will in the majority of cases not cause any medical problems?

Or, by your logic, should all newborns have their appendix removed at birth as a preventative measure?
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No one's mentioned mutilation in the last few pages (except you) so why do you keep bringing it up?
Last two pages.
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Old 07.09.2011, 16:08
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We have to be careful when we talk about mutilation here. To compare circumcision with genital mutilation is completely out of line. Some need to understand the word mutilation before to use it so easily.
Sorry Nil but this is one of the most sexist things that I have ever heard sprouted.

Is female circumcision okay then??? Or is it just okay for men?

It is mutilation if you cut the end of somebodies penis without thier concent. Simple. It is a disgusting practice that makes me sick to the core. I would actually never talk to one of my friends again, EVER, if they did something like this to one of thier children. People who willingly do this to thier children should have them taken away from them immediatley and recieve the same punishment that an adult would recieve for doing this to a non-concenting adult.
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Old 07.09.2011, 16:09
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Why is it completely out of line ?

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedic...com/mutilation

mu·ti·la·tion (mytl-shn)
n. Disfigurement or injury by removal or destruction of a conspicuous or essential part of the body.

What element of cutting off a person's body is not by the above definition "mutilation" ?

The origins of genital mutilation as well as the "reasons" for same are identical in both sexes.
We even have evidence from people in this very thread of despising their parents for mutilating them and yet you still persist.
Why does a child not have the right to decide for themselves as an adult ?
Cut of SKIN not a PART of the body like an organ.

Genital mulitation in woman are made to make sure she can't and won't enjoy sex. EVER.

Everytime a penis will try to go inside of her vagina, it means bleeding and a lot of pain, following with infections. She will have no more clitoris so she won't be able to enjoy sex without penetration either.

How this both can even be compared?
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Old 07.09.2011, 16:13
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

A man still can have sex, without pain and with pleasure. While a woman will get her labia cut, sew together with a hole just enough big for urine and period to come out. They will cut her clitoris and sew the skin on top of it.

She will never have pleasure.

I am amazed how people can compared both! Really!
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

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As for studies being done in Africa - I don't get the point. The issue is circumcised compared to non-circumcised and contraction of STDs (including HIV) and Cancer. This discussion is bizarre.

As for the snarky comment about the US not being Africa - in some US suburbs, the rate of HIV is higher than in West Africa... http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/...52G6J620090317
With the figures distorted by drug use and non-hetro sex.

Perhaps a bit of education in these suburbs wouldn't go amiss.
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Old 07.09.2011, 16:18
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Sorry, I don't see the logic: "let's cut off the end of this newborn baby boy's penis, just in case he's promiscuous in later life and refuses to use any form of barrier protection"
You get a pass for the provocative and misleading language. Kids today and in the future are facing higher rates of STDs and antibiotic resistant bacteria than I did growing up. A minor issue can become a major health problem for no good reason at all. That said, it is important to teach a child to be in loving/committed relationships and to use condoms - to suggest I would do anything differently is quite a stretch.
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Cut of SKIN not a PART of the body like an organ.
I have to take issue with you here; the skin is a vital component of the body and I have heard it being referred to as an organ.

I'm going to start a new trend, removal of the earlobes at birth. They serve no purpose and look silly.
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to suggest I would do anything differently is quite a stretch.
Unless you don't have a foreskin, of course
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With the figures distorted by drug use and non-hetro sex.

Perhaps a bit of education in these suburbs wouldn't go amiss.
Pretty sure they get lots of "abstinence" education in Washington DC, given the Religious Right's grip on things. http://lautenberg.senate.gov/newsroo...cfm?id=328016&

Lets not forget all the morally upright husbands whoring in the city then bring it back to the suburbs to infect their wives.
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Lets not forget all the morally upright husbands whoring in the city then bring it back to the suburbs to infect their wives.
The majority of whom are probably circumcised.
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Pretty sure they get lots of "abstinence" education in Washington DC, given the Religious Right's grip on things. http://lautenberg.senate.gov/newsroo...cfm?id=328016&

Lets not forget all the morally upright husbands whoring in the city then bring it back to the suburbs to infect their wives.
Surely, being circumcised this isn't the case?

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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Again you missed the point. I'll explain... nevermind.

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Surely, being circumcised this isn't the case?
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

REALLY NSFW Shocking

Men Circoncision:

NSFW http://www.cyh.com/HealthTopics/libr...umcision_2.gif


Female Genital Mutilation:



NSFW http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rcumcision.jpg

NSFW http://www.mgf.uab.es/images/mgf_type_en.jpeg

NSFW http://www.swfinternational.org/user...III-fgm(2).gif

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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Nil, I think we're all well aware what is involved in female genital mutilation, without the need for graphics.
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