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Old 09.10.2015, 18:07
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Re: Poll: Surgical removal of the prepuce covering the glans.

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A lot easier to wear a condom no? A more intelligent solution, and a bit less drastic!

I used condoms for over 30 years, they do sometimes break or come off.

Cleary the Swiss can't manage well with condoms.
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If one is relying on circumcision to minimize their HIV risk--then they seriously have some other intelligence issues.
Perhaps it's just easier to cleaner & more hygienic, hardly a surprise TBH
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Old 09.10.2015, 18:14
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

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A shame you don't make a difference between total removal and partial medical removal. Limitations limitations...
Sorry, one is limited to 10 options. And you are right if there is a better option for phimosis than simply 'cut the thing off', than it should be used. Good Medical Practice


Apropos total removal: Some times it gets wrong and the boy becomes a girl. Two accounts: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9651461
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Old 09.10.2015, 18:16
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

An amusing video describing the phenomenon in the US

https://youtu.be/gCSWbTv3hng
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Re: Poll: Surgical removal of the prepuce covering the glans.

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I used condoms for over 30 years, they do sometimes break or come off.

Cleary the Swiss can't manage well with condoms.


Perhaps it's just easier to cleaner & more hygienic, hardly a surprise TBH
Well, I am very glad I had my wild days a long time before aids- and with access to the pill, I have to say- so couldn't tell you and a very modern and intelligent man who made sure no condoms were needed once our family was complete. No condom ever in my life and no risk of aids either. Happy and free days the 60s.
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Old 09.10.2015, 18:51
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Re: Poll: Surgical removal of the prepuce covering the glans.

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Switzerland has 4 times as many cases per capita as Germany, Finland, Norway or Malta so yes it's rife in CH

Well 33% higher than the UK.

So the Swiss are not as squeaky clean as they think.......

http://www.avert.org/european-hiv-aids-statistics.htm
Maybe it's because men have to track down an infectious disease specialist to even get tested for STDs, then actually pay up for a test if they don't want to go to a centre for men having sex with men?

I was horrified that none of the men I dated in Switzerland had ever had an STD panel before. It's basically standard where I'm from when you're between partners. Most of my female friends had never had an STD panel either, with the excuse "i'm not a slut." ... this is how STDs (including HIV) spread.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

My info might well be out of date for the UK and I am not sure what the situation is here. But certainly it used to be the case that if you applied for a mortgage linked to a life insurance policy, life insurance or private insurance- you would have to give your doctor permission to fill in an insurance report based on your medical notes, and also have to answer questionsm 1 of which used to be something like 'did you ever have HIV testing done' - which could result as you being seen as having a high risk life-style and being refused.

From the NHS website:

If you go to your GP for an HIV test, the results will be confidential but will go on your medical records. This means, for example, that certain insurance companies will be able to see them. This will not be the case if you go to a private clinic, but you will have to pay for the test.


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Old 09.10.2015, 20:49
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

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Get a grip! We're not talking about chopping kids' balls off!
Never said that.

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Anyway, I would say I'm more informed than you about this and its effects. You're the one not informed and trying to preach your ignorance onto others.
And I'd be happy to look at the evidence for your assertion if you provided any - as I have.
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Old 09.10.2015, 20:57
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

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Get a grip! We're not talking about chopping kids' balls off!
Actually it's a lot more serious than that when it goes wrong and infection sets in.
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Old 09.10.2015, 21:04
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*** Devil's advocate to the rescue! We don't want this to die down just yet! ***

Because both are painful and the child has no choice in the matter. Though it's obvious that one is a lot more painful than the other.

Whereas FGM is not only painful, but completely disfigures and cuts off major parts of female genitalia, as far as I understand it.
End of my knob is fairly "major" at least to me
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Old 09.10.2015, 21:32
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Re: Poll: Surgical removal of the prepuce covering the glans.

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I was horrified that none of the men I dated in Switzerland had ever had an STD panel before.
What is an STD panel?

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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

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End of my knob is fairly "major" at least to me
A bit of foreskin makes no big difference in my case.

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Old 09.10.2015, 21:45
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

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A bit of foreskin makes no big difference in my case.
We all agree that circumcision doesn't condemn to eternal suffering and regrets. However, my extensive knowledge of men tells me that it does make a difference in the way pleasure and its intensity is experienced. Circumcised men don't know what it would be to be uncut so they don't miss what never got missed in the first place, but uncut men do know what they have and don't want to miss it. Don't take only my word for it but the word of my statistically significant male encounters. Circumcision changes especially masturbation but also the phallic pleasure experience. It's not a torture, we agree, but doesn't mean it is not an issue of respect of physical and intimate integrity. Sorry if I sound like a German court of law by writing so. Really.
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A bit of foreskin makes no big difference in my case.

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How would you 'know' though? Truly?

Have you never drunk a wine again ang again, and thought it was truly the best... ever. But then got to that new Cellar and tried their best and thought, wow, I never knew there could ever be a wine even better?
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Old 09.10.2015, 22:03
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

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We all agree that circumcision doesn't condemn to eternal suffering and regrets.
Most often not but in many cases it does :
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...formity-africa

Even in Western countries :
http://www.circinfo.org/USA_deaths.html

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The study, by researcher Dan Bollinger, concluded that approximately 117 neonatal deaths due directly or indirectly to circumcision occur annually in the United States, or one out of every 77 male neonatal deaths. This compares with 44 neonatal deaths from suffocation, 8 in automobile accidents and 115 from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, all of which losses have aroused deep concern among child health authorities and stimulated special programs to reduce mortality. (Remember those red noses?) Why, the study asks, has the even greater number of deaths from circumcision not aroused the same response?
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

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How would you 'know' though? Truly?

Have you never drunk a wine again ang again, and thought it was truly the best... ever. But then got to that new Cellar and tried their best and thought, wow, I never knew there could ever be a wine even better?
But if you're really happy with what you've got and never known anything else does it really make any difference?
As the saying goes 'you can't miss what you've never had'.
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

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Most often not but in many cases it does :
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...formity-africa

Even in Western countries :
http://www.circinfo.org/USA_deaths.html
I am also against circumcision, btw for purely sexual reasons and not health and safety. But you can bring up your argument for anything, including biting your tongue, which also can lead to death.
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But if you're really happy with what you've got and never known anything else does it really make any difference.
As the saying goes 'you can't miss what you've never had'.
Well yes, agreed- but then there is no need to tell others it makes no difference, in such a defensive way.

Those figures for the USA are truly worrying- if that is the kind of mortality linked to circumcision in the USA, imagine what it could be like in countries without a well organised health care system That will do for me.
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if that is the kind of mortality linked to circumcision in the USA, imagine what it could be like in countries without a well organised health care system
Countries like the USA, for example?
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Well yes.... and no!
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Old 09.10.2015, 22:29
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I am also against circumcision, btw for purely sexual reasons and not health and safety. But you can bring up your argument for anything, including biting your tongue, which also can lead to death.
I agreed with most of what you wrote - just not all of it. But presumably another party does not FORCE you to bite your tongue - to me that's the most objectionable part - once everyone is able to make their own decisions about their own body then in my opinion they should be free to whatever alterations they wish - but especially not on their children.
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