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Might as well. Yes. Or giving a minor hormones to suppress puberty...
Whatever the controversy over this, at least the procedure is explained to the child and ultimately, the child makes the final decision as to whether to proceed with the treatment.

What say has a baby in being circumcised?

There's a massive difference in that alone.
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Old 12.07.2020, 21:21
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I guess if one does not like it one can find a donor transplant and have it sewn back on!
I'm sure you can. The hymen can be replaced surgically.

The world is absolutely crazy - the ways the found to go around rule they claim are so important.
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Old 12.07.2020, 21:23
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I guess if one does not like it one can find a donor transplant and have it sewn back on!
And have your missus call your dick "Frankestein´s monster?"
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

I know of as well as know personally quite a few men who wish it had not been done to them. They also seem more often found in the camp of those being against condoms because they have very little sensation, so that kind of cancels out any health benefits if they are more likely to engage in unprotected sex.
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Old 12.07.2020, 21:36
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And have your missus call your dick "Frankestein´s monster?"
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So to all those who say there's no comparison between FGM and MGM, completely ignoring the different levels of severity, can we assume you're totally fine with the minor forms of FGM that are comparable to removal of the foreskin, say just a partial labiaectomy?
Nope.(And it is really quite staggeringly stupid to assume that it would be). But deal with the worst first, and then start reducing the incidence of the others.

It's like with abortion. The pro-choice lobby didn't start with "abortion, by choice of the women solely, up to the onset of labour pains". Because that would have got them exactly nowhere.

Cosmetic surgery, elected to by an adult is an entirely different matter.
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

I appreciate everyone’s contribution to my question. Especially those that gave their opinion without me asking for it. I even specifically said that I did not want it.

For those questioning my country of citizenship, yes, I am American. And I’m proud of that. Always have been and always will be.

Not that any of you questioning my parental choices deserve a response, but according to the American Academy of Pediatrics: “Evaluation of current evidence indicates that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks; furthermore, the benefits of newborn male circumcision justify access to this procedure for families who choose it. Specific benefits from male circumcision were identified for the prevention of urinary tract infections, acquisition of HIV, transmission of some sexually transmitted infections, and penile cancer. Male circumcision does not appear to adversely affect penile sexual function/sensitivity or sexual satisfaction.“

According to the World Health Organization: “Male circumcision is one of the oldest and most common surgical procedures worldwide, and is undertaken for many reasons: religious, cultural, social and medical. There is conclusive evidence from observational data and three randomized controlled trials that circumcised men have a significantly lower risk of becoming infected with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).”

National Institute of Health: “The merits of circumcision have been debated. Opinions about the need for circumcision in healthy boys vary among health care providers. Some believe there is great value to having an intact foreskin, such as allowing for a more natural sexual response during adulthood.
Rather than routinely recommending circumcision for healthy boys, many health care providers allow the parents to make the decision after presenting them with the pros and cons.”

Again, this is a choice that my husband and I have made and I do need need or want your input. I do not ask for your thoughts on you vaccinating your child. I’m sure your son or daughter doesn’t want a needle stabbed into their arm or buttocks, but if you believe it to be correct for them, you’ll have them undergo the injection. What about wisdom teeth? Braces? Braces can be purely cosmetic. If you decide that your child deserves braces even though they fight you on it, will they still get them? At least a circumcision at a few days old will not be remembered by my child. Painful teeth, bleeding gums, metal in my mouth? That occurs during adolescence and will be remembered.

Thank you for those that actually provided the information I asked for without including your personal opinion on my son’s reproductive organs.
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Old 12.07.2020, 21:49
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Nope.(And it is really quite staggeringly stupid to assume that it would be). But deal with the worst first, and then start reducing the incidence of the others.

It's like with abortion. The pro-choice lobby didn't start with "abortion, by choice of the women solely, up to the onset of labour pains". Because that would have got them exactly nowhere.

Cosmetic surgery, elected to by an adult is an entirely different matter.
Well, it's highly illegal in every developed nation, frowned upon the world over aside from those who practice it, and no one in their right damn minds would dare inquire in public place where they could get their daughter circumcised. Even a ritual pinprick is basically illegal everywhere, as it should be. How much more to we need to do in order to "deal with the worst"? Great strides have been made in ridding the world of this practice when it comes to girls, and while there's work to be done yet, when it the time to enshrine the genital integrity of all infants into law?
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Old 12.07.2020, 21:54
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

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Thats why it's popular, circumcised men last longer in bed, sounds like sour grapes to me
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Thats why it's popular, circumcised men last longer in bed, sounds like sour grapes to me
Suppose all men grow out of adolescence either way?

@ OP,

Haven't read all replies, just ask your child's paediatrician or your family doctor, is not that complicated.
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Old 12.07.2020, 22:02
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Suppose all men grow out of adolescence either way?
Nothing to do with adolescence, it's down to if you want a 100m sprinter or a marathon runner, horses for corses
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I appreciate everyone’s contribution to my question. Especially those that gave their opinion without me asking for it. I even specifically said that I did not want it.

For those questioning my country of citizenship, yes, I am American. And I’m proud of that. Always have been and always will be.

Not that any of you questioning my parental choices deserve a response, but according to the American Academy of Pediatrics: “Evaluation of current evidence indicates that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks; furthermore, the benefits of newborn male circumcision justify access to this procedure for families who choose it. Specific benefits from male circumcision were identified for the prevention of urinary tract infections, acquisition of HIV, transmission of some sexually transmitted infections, and penile cancer. Male circumcision does not appear to adversely affect penile sexual function/sensitivity or sexual satisfaction.“

According to the World Health Organization: “Male circumcision is one of the oldest and most common surgical procedures worldwide, and is undertaken for many reasons: religious, cultural, social and medical. There is conclusive evidence from observational data and three randomized controlled trials that circumcised men have a significantly lower risk of becoming infected with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).”

National Institute of Health: “The merits of circumcision have been debated. Opinions about the need for circumcision in healthy boys vary among health care providers. Some believe there is great value to having an intact foreskin, such as allowing for a more natural sexual response during adulthood.
Rather than routinely recommending circumcision for healthy boys, many health care providers allow the parents to make the decision after presenting them with the pros and cons.”

Again, this is a choice that my husband and I have made and I do need need or want your input. I do not ask for your thoughts on you vaccinating your child. I’m sure your son or daughter doesn’t want a needle stabbed into their arm or buttocks, but if you believe it to be correct for them, you’ll have them undergo the injection. What about wisdom teeth? Braces? Braces can be purely cosmetic. If you decide that your child deserves braces even though they fight you on it, will they still get them? At least a circumcision at a few days old will not be remembered by my child. Painful teeth, bleeding gums, metal in my mouth? That occurs during adolescence and will be remembered.

Thank you for those that actually provided the information I asked for without including your personal opinion on my son’s reproductive organs.
We'll, I'm an American (I managed not to mutilate my son despite the fact) and I think you're an embarrassment if you're seriously comparing braces and vaccines to circumcision. I don't really give a shit what justification you pull out of your ass to justify your purely cosmetic or superstitious motivations.

Edit - And how damn hard is it really to find info on this without asking a bunch of strangers for help? Have you not heard of a pediatrician? Or GP? Did you just expect to waltz in here with what you fully know is a very controversial question and expect a hearty rendition of "god bless america" and a few phone numbers?

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Thats why it's popular, circumcised men last longer in bed, sounds like sour grapes to me
Well that's not creepy in the least, let's perform elective surgery on baby genitals for perceived and subjective sexual benefits!
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Well that's not creepy in the least, let's perform elective surgery on baby genitals for perceived and subjective sexual benefits!
I would go with the hygiene benefits, seems like you are the one with the problem. I always wore a condom so never needed to make the choice.
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

A few small points...

1. At the beginning of this thread, the mods urged us to answer the question here and not discuss the pros / cons of circumsision.

Please see the third comment that suggests another link for this debate.

2. @ NotSuisseMade - I've sent you a PM with the name of a pediatrician (or urologist) whose circumsized a family member of mine.

3. In the beginning of this thread, some people have discussed about a Rabbi performing a circumsision. I want to correct this. In Judiism, it is a Mohel whp performs circumsision, not a Rabbi.
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Modesty forbids.
It's the bolts in the side that give it away

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A few small points...

1. At the beginning of this thread, the mods urged us to answer the question here and not discuss the pros / cons of circumsision. .....
That was 2007. So many things were not talked about/questioned 13 years ago.
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Nothing to do with adolescence, it's down to if you want a 100m sprinter or a marathon runner, horses for corses
Yeah, well there is such a thing as lasting too long... When you breach the one hour mark every single time when wearing a condom, it all gets a bit tedious.... And that has not just been my personal experience but also that of several friends.
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I appreciate everyone’s contribution to my question. Especially those that gave their opinion without me asking for it.
You can ask for that but it will never happen.

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Well, it's highly illegal in every developed nation, frowned upon the world over aside from those who practice it, and no one in their right damn minds would dare inquire in public place where they could get their daughter circumcised. Even a ritual pinprick is basically illegal everywhere, as it should be. How much more to we need to do in order to "deal with the worst"? Great strides have been made in ridding the world of this practice when it comes to girls, and while there's work to be done yet, when it the time to enshrine the genital integrity of all infants into law?
Later. Not enough progress has been made and tackling such a deeply entrenched custom as circumcision - which might even have health benefits - and the merging of FGM with MGM is misogynistic and harmful to women. Very very very very few men will be harmed if the fight against MGM is delayed until FGM is all but stamped out. If you think it has been, you're living in lala land.

FGM is practised far too widely.Even in countries where it is illegal, there are ways, and the authorities for fear of being accused of racism, don't react.

NotSuisseMade cited studies that show that MGM actually improves male sexual experience. FGM never does. As a man, I care about that. I want women to like sex.

The argument that the snipping of the foreskin is just the same as FGM is completely stupid and harmful to women.
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Yeah, well there is such a thing as lasting too long... When you breach the one hour mark every single time when wearing a condom, it all gets a bit tedious.... And that has not just been my personal experience but also that of several friends.
Ah. Mr should get a vasectomy.
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