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How to alienate yourself and get banned [was Islam and Integration in Switzerland]

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my debate in Winterthur about islam and integration back rounds and facts my expierience in switzerland and my activities in the community verry intersting research im open for questions and discusions

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Re: Islam und Integration in der schweiz

I would suggest removing the embedded video, unless you can provide one with english subtitles, so that it can be understood by the entire English Forum audience. Also be aware that racism, islam and integration have been discussed in other threads on this forum. Please try using the search function.
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Don't think he could remove the vid even if he wanted to as he's only posted 2 posting up to this point and I doubt he's got edit privileges as of yet.
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Why not have a cultural exchange that does not include religion? The ties that bind the people of the middle easter are more cultural than religious and it is about time that more attention was paid to these aspects. Not all people of the ME are Muslim and even withing the Muslim faith there are different beliefs. Most Swiss people are very appreciative of culture- so why not share the poetry, films, carpets, science, history of these societies? Why religion?
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Re: Islam and Integration in Switzerland

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All the religious greetings at the start does not go down well with heathens like me Got rough English translation of your speech and some background info about the event? Who were you debating with?
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All the religious greetings at the start does not go down well with heathens like me Got rough English translation of your speech and some background info about the event? Who were you debating with?
So here's a Christmas video for the heathens... by the way Muslims also beleive in Adam and Eve and Jesus.- Enjoy!

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Re: Islam und Integration in der schweiz

thier is nothing here rong or racism in this speach , i heard that this site is free and open and we can be here free and not controlled from you evry time we wrote or puplished some thing , i preciate what you saying but as we can see most of the pepole here can speak german and whay dont you let the pepole choose if they want to see this in german or english thank you for your concern
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Re: Islam and Integration in Switzerland

I don't speak anywhere near enough geman to understand this. It's called english forum for a reason.
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i think we are mixing here between the definetion of culture and religion
we cant say that we are intrested in a nation culture but in the same time we reject thier bilieves or religion , religionor bilieves (glouben) is a main factor in any culture and ME or the 90% of the arabs are muslims and islam playing great rule in thier lives even if many not brackticing thier bilieve but still islam is deep in evry corner in that culture isn it !!!
so it is not logic to talk about the ME eatern culture and in the same time we ask the muslims or the arabs to forgette thier bilieves to be axcepted in any cultural dialouge ,religion in the ME (middle East ) who creating most of the culture and not the oppisite,and sivilisation is differ from culture you know what the americans done to the red indian culture???
for example the head skarf started as religion habbitt and with time it become culture but the roots is religion but big part of thinkers in the west dont axcept this culture and they want to impose thier culturs on others and ask others to adobt thier culture, if we want to start any culture dialouge the both musst axcept each nation values and cultures and admit on the mistakes they have commetted against the others (in case they done such thing) like wars and so on ,if the swiss papole preciate the arabic culture as you sayed let them give the right to muslims or arabs to pray in mosques and give them jobs and stop the attacking lies in the media and stop supporting dektator regiems pressing them , but u want them to bilieve on exchanging films and peotry but in the same time u attack them in your media and attack thier bilieve and opening your land to dektator leaders wich they governing thier nations with iron and secret police and not allwing the wemen to drive cars and then you want us to talk about exchanging films and peorty and culture ???????
4.000.000.000 dollar is the worth known offecial arabic money in swiss banks , this money belong to thie poor nations down thier not to the this dektator, you talk about wemen rights but when a prence come with his slaves and army of wemen to genev or zurich we see the red carpets is waiting him and no one ask him or the wemen if this was against the swiss sivil lows or not , you see it is not asy to talk about cultur and we are hypocrate with many faces, you want to talk about ecchanging cultures and most of the region in the middle east under occupation and bombing from the west ???? where milions of innocent humans are killed or lost ???
let us be fair before we talk about culture and each one musst start with him self
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Why not have a cultural exchange that does not include religion? The ties that bind the people of the middle easter are more cultural than religious and it is about time that more attention was paid to these aspects. Not all people of the ME are Muslim and even withing the Muslim faith there are different beliefs. Most Swiss people are very appreciative of culture- so why not share the poetry, films, carpets, science, history of these societies? Why religion?
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thier is nothing here rong or racism in this speach , i heard that this site is free and open and we can be here free and not controlled from you evry time we wrote or puplished some thing , i preciate what you saying but as we can see most of the pepole here can speak german and whay dont you let the pepole choose if they want to see this in german or english thank you for your concern
Actually, you need to read this:
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Since your video contains absolutely no English in it it should be removed (for that reason only). Put the same thing up in English and I don't think you'll have any problems in here..
(just my 2 cents worth)
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Re: Islam and Integration in Switzerland

this is english statment about whay they are attacking islam it is political veiw as a respond for other vedeos in youtub
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Re: Islam und Integration in der schweiz

ok give me some time i will try soon to translate it to english

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Since your video contains absolutely no English in it it should be removed (for that reason only). Put the same thing up in English and I don't think you'll have any problems in here..
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this is english statment about whay they are attacking islam it is political veiw as a respond for other vedeos in youtub
Islam and science? Please provide evidence to support your claim that scientists are turning to Islam Your video is so biased that it ain't even worth arguing over. I love how you label people in the west as sheep like followers but completely ignore how sheepishly people like you follow "Islam is great" propaganda. No! I am not "Anglo Saxon" and neither a west loving sheep.
On one hand you complain about women not being allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia but then on the other hand you want to end women appearing in sexy advertisements in the west? It's a free Europe! As long as a woman is not being forced she should be FREE to do whatever the hell she wants.

Your video has ZERO% integration message and 100% "Islam is great" hot air. Get a reality check!

For the record Neocons and people like you are two sides of the same coin. Such coins bring nothing but trouble to this world
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Yesterday was Aide Ghadir did you clebrate that? I am related to the Sayed ( a family full of Hajis!) yesterday we killed a sheep (poor thing I am vegetarian) and gave the meat to the poor- we don't care if they are Jews, Sunni, Shiite, Christian, whatever- Poor is Poor. We do this kind of thing regularly, we should be doing a lot more. Do you think that others on this forum are ignorant of the facts. You seem to have made the mistake of judging me before knowing me and making assumptions based on my name. I have a very mixed heritage. Some may call that prejudice. I will take issue with you that the headscarf is not primarily cultural but religious. You might like to read some of the other threads on this forum on religion. There is good and bad in every religion but the best religions are those that preach tolerance and forgiveness. Where on this forum do you find a thread with Jews or Christians arguing the strengths of their religion to the detriment of others?

Your message does not seem to preach tolerance but anger and zealoutry. I understand the reasons for your anger. Religion mixed with Zealoutry, be they Zionist, Jihadists, Christian zionists or any other religion is a very dangerous mixture; not one that with go down well or go uncontested on this forum.
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thier is nothing here rong or racism in this speach , i heard that this site is free and open and we can be here free and not controlled from you evry time we wrote or puplished some thing , i preciate what you saying but as we can see most of the pepole here can speak german and whay dont you let the pepole choose if they want to see this in german or english thank you for your concern
I think you have been a bit misinformed about this site, we actually have quite a few rules regarding what can be posted and we have very strict rules on etiquete but as long as these are adhered to you will have no problems. Your assumption that most people speak German is incorrect, our common language on this forum is English so a translation of your speech would be most appreciated.
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Actually some of the world's leading technology is taking place in the ME. Especially in the area of stem cell research where there are fewer religious issues on the topic!
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Actually some of the world's leading technology is taking place in the ME. Especially in the area of stem cell research where there are fewer religious issues on the topic!
Verena how did stem cell research get into this topic? If it was aimed at me then I was referring to his point (on the 2nd video) that scientists are accepting Islam (something similar anyway). To such people I say-

"The priests of the different religious sects dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight, and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subdivision of the duperies on which they live."

As far as stem cell research is concerned
Taken from "The Scientist" magazine-

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In terms of total number of stem cell publishing, however, US-based scientists have by far authored the most stem cell articles, some 13,663 in 2000-2004 -- 42% of total articles. Germany came in second with 10.2% of the total, followed by Japan, the UK, France, Italy, Canada, The Netherlands, Spain, and Sweden. Israeli scientists published 690 articles in 2000-2004.
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Re: Islam and Integration in Switzerland

To everyone posting on this thread.

STAY ON TOPIC OR I WILL LOCK THE THREAD.
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STAY ON TOPIC OR I WILL LOCK THE THREAD.
Okay,

but this is what an MIT professor has to say about how science can counteract fanaticism and intolerance:

Researchers must obey some ethical rules: human reproductive cloning is not allowed, and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the country's spiritual leader and highest authority, has warned researchers to be careful that making parts of human beings does not lead to the production of a human being. Within those guidelines, scientists in this field are well supported by the religious government. ..........

There are clear differences between our countries, but these fade in the laboratory as we approach scientific questions. Furthermore, attitudes and policies that stifle scientific work and collaboration hinder not only science, but also international relations. When we don't have an exchange of ideas, we foster fanaticism and intolerance; this is something that science could help to counteract.

It is time that we started to emphasize what binds our cultures towards the common good of mankind
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when i started my work and activities since long time i always excepted such paranoyed behavior from pepole whom cant know how to be objective or how to use more sivilised way of expressing thier voices we know it hysterial reaction to pepole loosing thier nervs when they dont have any other argument and i dont want to go more deeper in such discussions
second i was loughing realy after reading this comment for many reasons i will mention some , what is the connection between wemen rights to drive cars and wemens getting opressed and pushed to use thier bodies un cheap or sextual adv to attrackt buyers like you !!!!!! driving cars is human basic rights to evry man and women or like this suppose to be but wemen traficing and selling wemen in night streptease clubs is the oppisit to any human understanding or morals , who push the wemen to do this???is it freedom to use wemen in this cheap unhuman way next to evry new car or producr naked body to attrackt or motivate the buyers???and who say that wemen are not pushed to do many of thies things if she wasnt brained washed from the media she is directly pushed from the market or from hunger or what ever , UNITED NATION REPORT FOR HUMAN RIGHT say 300.000 wemen get solled from east poor europe to the more rich west look in google about wemen traficing
i will not use any of your low level of discusion i already get hundrets of positive answrs becz i spoke about facts and reality , by the way for me thier is nothing is holly i cretizise evry thing with mind and logic and i never sayed islam is great but islam is not less worth than many other sekts and religions to be respected
im ready for any friendly sivilised puplic debate with any person thing i didnt mentioned facts
ignoring others and treating them like less is our human problem occupation and massacars i palestine or what ever is also our problems , terrorism is also our human problems
we musst bilieve that we are equal in our rights as humans to start any dialouge
the facts i mentioned is clear to many any i no need to talk about it or to prove it more than it is by it self prove

On one hand you complain about women not being allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia but then on the other hand you want to end women appearing in sexy advertisements in the west? It's a free Europe! As long as a woman is not being forced she should be FREE to do whatever the hell she wants.

Your video has ZERO% integration message and 100% "Islam is great" hot air. Get a reality check!

For the record Neocons and people like you are two sides of the same coin. Such coins bring nothing but trouble to this world [/QUOTE]
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