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Re: Top Gear: 2013

Top Gear was around long before Clarkson joined it and can survive his departure believe it or not. The programme's had many different presenters over the years.
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Top Gear was around long before Clarkson joined it and can survive his departure believe it or not. The programme's had many different presenters over the years.

didn't exactly get high ratings, or was sold abroad before he relaunched it
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Top Gear was around long before Clarkson joined it and can survive his departure believe it or not. The programme's had many different presenters over the years.
None as good as JC.

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Old 11.03.2015, 17:23
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Re: Top Gear: 2013

I really don't get people who wish the BBC fires Clarkson. What the hell, if you don't like Clarkson, don't watch his show. There are clearly 300 million people around the globe who do like his antics. I don't like the vast majority of the UK programming but it's not like I'm actively crusading against the cast/staff.

I assume a bunch of people are just trolling here, because I can't see someone caring that much about a show and presenter they don't like.

There are some simple facts: it is one of the most successful shows ever. Some may argue that the BBC is funded by public money and thus not bound by business interests, but discounting all business interests, throwing something as successful as Top Gear away is a level of daftness that should be a capital offence.

If any of the presenters were to leave, but particularly Clarkson, Top Gear is over. Notwithstanding the fact that they all made remarks that they are only willing to do the show together, Clarkson can pretty much do what he wants because he is the essence of the show. Without him, the show and the IP is pretty much worthless. Anyone can do a car show, but the chances of replicating the chemistry and antics of James, Richard and Jeremy are close to nil.

If it isn't clear yet, I'm a big Top Gear fan. I agree that Clarkson is a right pillock, but that's part of the magic. I actually support his antics. He says things that offend people but I think saying offensive things is an important part and barometer of an open society. The more people like Clarkson are vilified, the more close minded and restricted a society is.
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If it isn't clear yet, I'm a big Top Gear fan. I agree that Clarkson is a right pillock, but that's part of the magic. I actually support his antics. He says things that offend people but I think saying offensive things is an important part and barometer of an open society. The more people like Clarkson are vilified, the more close minded and restricted a society is.
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Re: Top Gear: 2013

that's not how the bbc is run especially now, its run by lots of political liberals / lefties who hate everything clarkson is. its almost painful at times watching the beeb and the slant they put on things, its getting a bit like fox news (in its bias), must be politically correct, at all costs, regardless

instead of reporting the news, they seem to want to make the news. This whole 'affair' is a total non story, middle aged drunk man has a slagging match in a hotel bar, big frigging deal.
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Old 11.03.2015, 17:39
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Re: Top Gear: 2013

I have never watched Top Gear, so if JC stays or goes it's equal to me! My daughter, however, is an avid TG fan and thinks that JC is the bee's knees!
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Old 11.03.2015, 17:43
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He says things that offend people but I think saying offensive things is an important part and barometer of an open society. The more people like Clarkson are vilified, the more close minded and restricted a society is.
I agree with you.

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instead of reporting the news, they seem to want to make the news. This whole 'affair' is a total non story, middle aged drunk man has a slagging match in a hotel bar, big frigging deal.
and with you.

I used to really drop everything to watch the show, and I now feel he doesn't deserve to be fired, the BBC could have handled it better - well the idiot producer should have done so. The petition to keep him is now at 350'000 and they are waiting for the North Korean vote to arrive...

In it's history Top Gear has had 5 lady presenters, even Angela Rippon! But I wish it would change the format a bit, it is getting tiresome.

Some say he arrives 3 hours late, demands food, punches the director, and that he has a jet fighter on his front lawn! He's called the Clarkson!!
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Old 11.03.2015, 17:49
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I agree with you.

I used to really drop everything to watch the show, and I now feel he doesn't deserve to be fired, the BBC could have handled it better - well the idiot producer should have done so. The petition is now at 350'000 and they are waiting for the North Korean vote to arrive...
At present, he hasn't been fired and may not be. The petition is premature as no decisions have been reached and everything is just speculation.

It is a sad reflection on things that people seem to be signing the petition based on rumours and not facts (over 430,000 now)
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Old 11.03.2015, 17:51
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Re: Top Gear: 2013

As someone who believes the car should be the star, I prefer Fifth Gear. A show that will honestly review a Renault Twingo without firing it out of a canon or driving it into the sea.

Top Gear has its place as light comedy entertainment, but I certainly don't respect Clarkson's coffee based car analogies, James May's glacial supercar test drives or Hamster Hammond's irritating bonhomie.
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Old 11.03.2015, 18:18
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As someone who believes the car should be the star, I prefer Fifth Gear. A show that will honestly review a Renault Twingo without firing it out of a canon or driving it into the sea.

Top Gear has its place as light comedy entertainment, but I certainly don't respect Clarkson's coffee based car analogies, James May's glacial supercar test drives or Hamster Hammond's irritating bonhomie.
I don't think anyone watches Top Gear as a serious car show. It's basically 3 people cocking about with cars (and other motor vehicles). All three opinionated, rarely give fair reviews and mostly resort to doing something inane instead of honestly talking about why or why not a particular car is good.

In some ways, I believe that Top Gear's tongue in cheek antics are the only way to properly review a supercar. Most people will never know what it feels like to own one. Even those who actually own one, most will never drive them to their limits and won't be able to really appreciate the difference between a McLaren mp4 and a Noble M600.

Let's be honest, those cars are absolutely silly. They are either ridiculously loud, ridiculously difficult to control, ridiculously uncomfortable or some combination of these attributes with some extra madness sprinkled on top. Yet we are not even into proper madness territory like the Koenigsegg Regera.

There are shows which try to give these cars a proper testing and lay down all the metrics to the audience. They highlight all the driving characteristics, understeer, oversteer, tail happiness, how much the new carbon body on car XYZ helps with body roll in a sharp corner etc. This is all good work.

Top Gear on the other hand gives people the feeling of what it is like to own and go nuts in a car like this. The feeling and emotion you experience as you slam down the gas pedal in an MB SLS AMG. No matter that you'll uselessly slide off and eat dirt because the car has no chance to put all the power down into acceleration. Yes, you could try to drive the car seriously, but Top Gear drives the car such that it puts a smile on your face. Top Gear gives you that giddy feeling you remember as a 4 year old when you launched your toy Lamborghini out through a ramp with a rubber band and it plummeted towards on a carefully assembled brigade of plastic green army men and the token tyrannosaurus. You laughed all the more if it overshot and fell into the fish tank with a small "plop".

It's all about the loose banter, silliness and personality of each presenter synergized with a large budget. There are many serious reviewers out there with serious budgets. There are not many silly car shows with a serious budget and 3 chaps who work well together.
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As someone who believes the car should be the star, I prefer Fifth Gear. A show that will honestly review a Renault Twingo without firing it out of a canon or driving it into the sea.
So you are that one person that likes to see a serious test of a Renault Twingo...
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Re: Top Gear: 2013

Talking about political liberals / lefties, just drop into the Guardian's "opinions" section to witness the deluge of righteous ladies not wasting a second to start sullying him with vigour... before they even know what has happened... Highly entertaining reading...

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...inist-top-gear

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ing-and-resign

He must be doing something right
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I don't think anyone watches Top Gear as a serious car show. It's basically 3 people cocking about with cars (and other motor vehicles).
Exactly that. Unless you want to know how good a lambo is driven on ice. TG is basically an entertainment program, not a serious car review show.
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In some ways, I believe that Top Gear's tongue in cheek antics are the only way to properly review a supercar. Most people will never know what it feels like to own one. Even those who actually own one, most will never drive them to their limits and won't be able to really appreciate the difference between a McLaren mp4 and a Noble M600.

Let's be honest, those cars are absolutely silly. They are either ridiculously loud, ridiculously difficult to control, ridiculously uncomfortable or some combination of these attributes with some extra madness sprinkled on top. Yet we are not even into proper madness territory like the Koenigsegg Regera.
Speak for yourself!!!!

To sum it up though:
- Clarkson is a cock (which makes TG entertaining) -
- Clarkson behaved like a cock to someone while not filming -
- TG makes the BBC buckets loads of cash every year -
- In keeping Clarkson the lentil wearing, beard eating BBC liberals will condone domestic violence -

Is it news? Perhaps. Is it front page news (as it was this morning)?
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Top Gear was around long before Clarkson joined it and can survive his departure believe it or not. The programme's had many different presenters over the years.
It did. And it was so successful it was cancelled in 2001.
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It did. And it was so successful it was cancelled in 2001.
There are loads of old episodes on Youtube - you can't beat a road test that tells you the cars CD or how it doesn't reach the class standard for having a high boot lip.

Modern Top Gear does pull off some spectacular cocking about, but also can delivers some fantastic motoring articles - early cars and how it took so long to get to how we drive now (clutch, brake, throttle as pedals, wheel and gearstick); the end of Saab (including some cocking about by dropping cars).

Even the predominently cocking about ones have a good foundation in motoring - Clarkson on the firing range with the Range Rover; the Bentley on the rally stage; the student cars - with clarkson driving through a brick wall at 40mph in a Volvo; most of the earlier cheap car challenges were based on what every petrolhead dreams about - I have 10k in my pocket I'll buy a Ferrari - DON'T!!!

Lets be honest you either watch Top Gear or you watch that midwife crap.
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Re: Top Gear: 2013

Can some whiny leftie tell me why Charlie Hebdo is good but Jeremy Clarkson is bad?

Ta.
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It did. And it was so successful it was cancelled in 2001.
Whether people like it or not, Clarkson is Top Gear.

Sure it can have other presenters. Will it be equally succesful? Doubt it...
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Can some whiny leftie tell me why Charlie Hebdo is good but Jeremy Clarkson is bad?

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