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Old 07.10.2006, 08:40
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Is the English Forum racist?

… is probably the relevant question here. Apparently if one has decided to take a perceived “stance” against racism then it gives one license to wheel and deal offensive statements in unrelated threads under the guise of “alerting” others to “Swiss racism” (which largely seems to be based on second-hand accounts and heresay).

I don’t have a problem with forum members wanting to warn people of colour or pan-african peoples about potential discrimination, but I do have an issue with the way in which it has been done. The instances I refer to do not simply indicate:

Passport control at Zurich airport is a quick and simple process, unless you are black"
as per Yokine,



or

Now if I was to describe my observations, and attempt to warn people on this basis, does that make me a racist?
thank you litespeed

But seem to employ (assuming that racism isn’t involved) bad humour, parody & other ill-used literary devices. This is not how one deals with sensitive issues which one regards seriously.

Also I am curious if many of the persons you are trying to “warn” actually frequent this forum, in which case I don’t know how they deal with this manner of banter – it is just as deploring as facing these issues on the “racist” streets of Switzerland.
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Old 07.10.2006, 08:45
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

Hi Piko,

I for one am a little tired of the whole business of extreme polical correctness and how racism in particular is now sought for in every statement anyone makes. We can say whatever we want these days about anything - we can swear, profain God, have sex in public but if someone so much as hints at what is percieved by some as racism, they are taken to task. Taking this to its logical conclusion, it is not the English Forum, nor Switzerland, but the whole world that is racist.

However, you have given examples from your studies of this forum you just recently joined of what you consider acceptable references:

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I don’t have a problem with form members wanting to warn people of colour or pan-african peoples about potential discrimination, but I do have an issue with the way in which it has been done. The instances I refer to do not simply indicate:

Passport control at Zurich airport is a quick and simple process, unless you are black" as per Yokine,

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Now if I was to describe my observations, and attempt to warn people on this basis, does that make me a racist?
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However perhaps you could furnish us with some of the referrences that offend you so much:

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but seem to employ (assuming that racism isn’t involved) bad humour, parody & other ill-used literary devices. This is not how one deals with sensitive issues which one regards seriously.
Where is/are this/these 'bad humour', 'parodies & other ill-used literary devices'?
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

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Is the English Forum racist?
… is probably the relevant question here. Apparently if one has decided to take a perceived “stance” against racism then it gives one license to wheel and deal offensive statements in unrelated threads under the guise of “alerting” others to “Swiss racism” (which largely seems to be based on second-hand accounts and heresay).

I don’t have a problem with forum members wanting to warn people of colour or pan-african peoples about potential discrimination, but I do have an issue with the way in which it has been done. The instances I refer to do not simply indicate:

Passport control at Zurich airport is a quick and simple process, unless you are black"
as per Yokine,



or

Now if I was to describe my observations, and attempt to warn people on this basis, does that make me a racist?
thank you litespeed

But seem to employ (assuming that racism isn’t involved) bad humour, parody & other ill-used literary devices. This is not how one deals with sensitive issues which one regards seriously.

Also I am curious if many of the persons you are trying to “warn” actually frequent this forum, in which case I don’t know how they deal with this manner of banter – it is just as deploring as facing these issues on the “racist” streets of Switzerland.
You really should stick to lurking. Your have quoted what does not substantiate your argument. Your argument is baseless until you quote the offending statements. Then you must disect these quotes objectively so everyone understands, and finally have the balls not to edit it so people can have the chance to agree or disagree.

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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

Yokine's remark “Passport control at Zurich airport is a quick and simple process, unless you are black" is not a racist remark, nor should it be considered an attempt to insult or offend anybody.

It is a simple statement of fact.

Should the Swiss be offended by this? I don't know - that's entirely up to them. Whether they are offended or not doesn't change the fact that people with dark skin are often excessively questioned and detained at the airport (and other border points).

Is this heresay? Well since I am white, and people have told me these stories directly, then technically it is heresay. But if I am white then it would never be possible for me the experience this sort of thing first hand does it? I've heard the above story many times from many different people who told it to me first hand. Does that mean we shouldn't repeat the story for the risk of offending Swiss people?

If one black person posts and says "I've never had that happen to me" does that mean it doesn't happen - after all the black person just told us first hand that it never happened to them. I don't think so somehow.

Or are we racist because we use the terms like white, brown or black? Is that what's really getting up your nose? I notice you use the terminology "people of colour or pan-african peoples". Well excuse me - that's quite a mouthful. I consider myself reasonably politically correct. I pull people up when they say "yugo" and a whole host of other terms which are considered offensive.

But I will not apologise for making a simple statement of fact about someone's skin colour. Doesn't making "black" a dirty word demean people who are black? Or is it just not permitted for someone who is white to say "black". Sorry - I consider this whole business to be an exercise in stupidity. Label me as a racist if you want.

I don't think there's many people that would argue that racisim and xenophobia is not an important issue in Switzerland. I'm glad that we have a platform where we can discuss it and exchange ideas. I see it as a very tiny part of "progress" in this country - and I hope that one day we'll have a Switzerland that is an open and tolerant place.

A reminder to people reading this thread - this is NOT a discussion about whether the Swiss are racist - we already have a thread for that here.

So the question on this thread is whether or not we (the collective forum) are racist. Are we? Because we point out examples of racism (even when heresay?)

From my own personal view I can say this: I am white, but I will continue to try and help the fight against racism - even though I do not stand to gain anything personally. I hope that other forum members also speak their mind on this subject, regardless of their colour. Silence in the hope of not offending Swiss or non-whites is not the answer.
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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

Oh well, if I must be redundant, I refer to comments made in this post (if you don't recall, you yourself litespeed redirected the thread):
Hi - I am Jose Ordinas -

Including statements such as this made in other threads:
"I'm getting the point where I am no longer going to tolerate it and confront people when they do it. By the way - I'm not black and I don't look foreign, there should be no reason to stare at me!"

If the above is not a racist statement (as is claimed), then I can only surmise that it is humour in bad taste unless the author can clarify.

I reiterate claiming to be an "activist" of sorts doesn't give one license to make statements such as the above.


Btw litespeed I edited my post in the “Are the Swiss are racist” thread because as stated above this is a different topic. The exact contents of that original thread (including a spelling correction or two) were placed in this thread.
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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

If this was the Trinidad Forum and I wrote:

"I'm getting the point where I am no longer going to tolerate it and confront people when they do it. By the way - I'm not white and I don't look foreign, there should be no reason to stare at me!"

Would that be equally distasteful?

So how could this statement be changed:


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<snip>Including statements such as this made in other threads:
"I'm getting the point where I am no longer going to tolerate it and confront people when they do it. By the way - I'm not black and I don't look foreign, there should be no reason to stare at me!"
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to make it acceptable? Should 'pan-African origin' be substituted for black?
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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

You referenced a post to which I had not yet replied. I have replied on that thread (an introductions thread) to make my position, which seems to have been misunderstood by a couple of people (including you), but understood by the majority of people.

The staring statement (from another thread) was not meant as a racist or antagonistic statement at all. It is pointing out in a tongue-in-cheek way that I felt it would have been likely that I would be stared at if I were foreign looking - not that staring at a black person or foreign looking person is justified at all.

I think that some people should take a little longer to understand WHAT was being said in these statements, rather than trying to jump to conclusion that isn't there. In general, I think that these statements have been well understood by others here, since they've never been commented on before - but then again that could be because we all racists right?

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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

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Oh well, if I must be redundant, I refer to comments made in this post (if you don't recall, you yourself litespeed redirected the thread):
Hi - I am Jose Ordinas -
I never said or inferred you to be redundant. You appear simply to be playing Lego with any word or phrase you see in your browser to sensationalise your posts.

Yes, I did reverse the closure of this thread, as I later saw the merit in a separate discussion. I will admit my error on this one.

You will see that the EF members come from a wide variety of ethnic and racial backgrounds. Everyone is equal here and if they adhere to the forums policies get no better or worse attention than others.
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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

Moving to a foreign country is difficult at best … as I see it pointing out potential pitfalls, including racism is useful … however greeting somebody with a statement such as “what is the colour of your skin?” is really unecessary. Are you trying to add paranoia to an already challenging move? It’s one thing to discuss racism, but to make it a soap box issue is another thing.

Also w.r.t. to the ethnic euphemisms I have used … activists of your caliber should be no less than politically correct.

Also I misunderstood – I thought “English” forum referred to the language not a country of origin. I’m already on a “Trinidad” forum though – how interesting that my cultural background has now become a basis of an argument.

Mark, if I misconstrued your statements I apologise, but I would like to point out that at face value they were indeed offensive at best.
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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

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Moving to a foreign country is difficult at best … as I see it pointing out potential pitfalls, including racism is useful … however greeting somebody with a statement such as “what is the colour of your skin?” is really unecessary. Are you trying to add paranoia to an already challenging move? It’s one thing to discuss racism, but to make it a soap box issue is another thing.
No it should not be used to add paranoia but for people moving to Switzerland from slightly more open minded countries it can be a real shock and I do believe in making informed decisions. For example, if you mention you are going to relocate to South Africa particulalry Johannesburg you will encounter many comments about violent crimes. Are they there to make you paranoid? No they are there to make you AWARE and prepare to deal with this situations.

The Englishforum is not aimed at English people but people who wish to converse in English about Switzerland and their experiences. If you "lurked" a little more you might have noticed the vast amount of useful knowledge past on in this forum. As well as events organised, banter, debate etc. Rather than draw out something completely out of context, why not appreciate all the useful information I am quite sure you have benefitted from.
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Also I misunderstood – I thought “English” forum referred to the language not a country of origin. I’m already on a “Trinidad” forum though – how interesting that my cultural background has now become a basis of an argument.
Your cultural background was, is and never will be the basis of an argument, unless you yourself make it an issue. Your cultural background doesn't influence my thoughts about you or actions towards you, and I would say that goes for all the members here.

I fear you are reading way too much into what people are writing.

As for political correctness, I think that concept is simply false diplomacy. People should be entitled to say what they think in their own words. But that is a topic for another thread entirely.
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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

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Moving to a foreign country is difficult at best … as I see it pointing out potential pitfalls, including racism is useful … however greeting somebody with a statement such as “what is the colour of your skin?” is really unecessary. Are you trying to add paranoia to an already challenging move? It’s one thing to discuss racism, but to make it a soap box issue is another thing.
Actually the original comments came from people who had been reading the forum, so I assumed that my remarks would be taken in context. I hate to discuss the conversations of another thread in a completely different thread since it is hard for people to put the remarks in context, and even easier for someone attempting to quote remarks out of context to do so. Was I trying to add paranoia? My very next sentence after those remarks was "Sometimes things on this forum can seem worse than they really are, so you shouldn't allow these issues to make you worried." Was that adding paranoia? Were you unfairly quoting me out of context?

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Also w.r.t. to the ethnic euphemisms I have used … activists of your caliber should be no less than politically correct.
Firstly I'm not an activist, and I'm not of any particular calibre either. Can I object to racist behaviour without finding myself as an "activist" with an expectation that I should use some sort of political new-speak? Ever been to South Africa? You'll find plenty of discussion about race there. Not even the most politically correct shy away from using words like "black" or "white". Nobody gets on anyone's case to tell them that they can't say "black". Unsurprisingly they seem to be making excellent headway, unburdened by such stupidity that serves only to distract and confuse people from discussing the issues properly. I'd appreciate it if you could refrain from telling me which words I can and cannot use. I haven't used terms like "darkie", "nigger" or any other potentially insulting terms. I simply used the word "black", and I make no apologies for it since it was not meant in any derogatory sense.

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Also I misunderstood – I thought “English” forum referred to the language not a country of origin. I’m already on a “Trinidad” forum though – how interesting that my cultural background has now become a basis of an argument.
No - you didn't misunderstand, though it's obvious this is a sarcastic remark. If someone else chose to look at your cultural background when evaluating your accusations of labeling other people as racists (as you directly did in another thread) is this wrong? I note that they did so with the utmost of political correctness, or is this itself incorrect. Was mentioning something about my background or the fact that I am "white" wrong as well? Am I allowed to say "white", or should I say "caucasian" instead?

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Mark, if I misconstrued your statements I apologise, but I would like to point out that at face value they were indeed offensive at best.
I'd like to think that is actually an apology, rather than a back-handed one. Perhaps if your earlier sentences had sounded a bit more sincere I would have taken it at "face value".

Keywords there - "misconstrued" and "at face value". Failing to read context, background information or the earlier posts in a thread can often lead to a misunderstanding. For you to make a statement that I am racist against black people demonstrates to everyone (at least those that follow this forum) that you have failed to do anything but skim over remarks without taking them in context, or follow earlier discussions on the subject. I think this is a shame. I'd be happy to debate my own views on a wide variety of subjects, but I'm not happy to be quoted out of context, or have selected statements from different places put together to try and demonstrate a point. Frankly, it reminds me of Michael Moore (who I like, but find a little "selective" in the way he presents something).

Feel free to actually join the threads where you have quoted something so that the discussion can be done properly, and IN CONTEXT.
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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

To go back to the root question from Piko:
No, in my view this forum is not racist at all!
Au contraire as the French would say so nicely.

Simply by looking at the member profiles, you will see a wide variety of nationalities on this Forum; native English speakers (from the US, UK, etc) but also lots of people for whom English is a 2nd/3rd language, eg Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Netherlands, etc etc. Would these members hang around here so much and post so many messages if they felt for one milli-second that the atmosphere here was a racist one?

Second, to post such a bold statement requires statements to substantiate it. If you state it, then the onus is on you to provide clear evidence/examples/quotes. You tried to do this by cutting out sentences from a few posts, but in my view did not succeed in that.


But more important, I think we must all understand the challenge of discussing such a sensitive subject via written messages. Above escalation of the thread is caused by a misunderstanding of the intended meaning, jumping to a conclusion, seeing/putting things in a different context, interpreting a statement differently, or struggling to see the nuance in a statement. I don’t blame you. Discussing this topic on a message board is a bit like driving around on a bike (or say here in CH: skiing ) with only one eye: it works, you'll manage but don't see perspective and is therefore far from optimal.

In fact I like this forum more and more than say the zwitserlandforum.nl (forum for Dutch speakers on Switzerland) because many more different cultures/backgrounds are present here to talk about life in Switzerland. What makes us happy , sick , sad or more often just confused for some time. But, not in the last place this place is much more lively and has more humour then the Dutch forum!

To go back to the passport control in the airport example. I experienced a few times now over the last year that black people were held up longer at passport control. One time a customs agent actually raised his voice when asking “Was machen Sie in der Schweiz!?” (translating a bit like: “What is your purpose of visiting Switzerland!?”).

Anyway, I find it courageous to try to discuss this subject here, although in my view it is more interesting to discuss whether the Swiss are racist, a harsh statement with some truth in it my opinion.
That is I think where we can share experiences and views and learn from each other. Then everybody can weigh the arguments and make his/her mind up about this very sensitive subject in Switzerland in my view. Agree?

PS: Recently I read a great book from V.S. Naipul, a literature Nobel prize winner born in Trinidad, titled "A House for Mr Biswas"..."a comic masterpiece"..I agree and can recommend anyone to read it!
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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

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Yokine's remark “Passport control at Zurich airport is a quick and simple process, unless you are black"
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Is this heresay? Well since I am white, and people have told me these stories directly, then technically it is heresay. But if I am white then it would never be possible for me the experience this sort of thing first hand does it?
It isn't necessary to experience it first hand for it not to be hearsay, you could observe it happening.

I think the people complaining about Swiss racism should look around them. Look at the number of mixed couples (and I don't just mean mixed gender couples ) and be happy. While racism certainly exists in Switzerland, just as it does in every other society, it isn't as bad as people on here make out.

If you want to see racism in action visit a few other major European cities I could name - almost no mixed couples, people with the "wrong" coloured skin being stopped at the train station and being asked for their papers, because, of course, being black they must be illegals, and so forth. *spit*

Really, be happy. Try to improve things by all means, but also be happy that while the Swiss may not be perfect, or as advanced in their non-racist attitudes as wherever it is you moved to Switzerland from, they are further along than many other places in Europe.
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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

I also have considered this question - not just with the Englishforum, but with "expat" society in general. Here (6 years) and in other European countries, My observation is that where expats (unfortunately almost always english speaking, and I have mixed with spanish, portuguese and east european expats in various countries)) express opinions about their adopted country they often consist of finding fault, almost to the exclusion of anything positive. The EF seems no exception. I struggle to find any posts that say "why Switzerland is a great place to live". I would also add that looking for definciencies in people who constitute a type such as "Swiss" "English" "Jewish" "Arab" is the most racist stance you can take and brands you as such.
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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

I am black and I have had zero problems at Swiss airports. On the other hand I have been searched plenty of times in UK (rudely). In UK I have been called "Nigger" on the streets, my friends get called "Paki" on regular basis. I have also been physically attacked by strangers purely for my skin colour. On the other hand in Switzerland some people might hate me but atleast they are civilized enough not to call me names or physically attack me. I will take CH over UK anyday. Whether this forum is racist or not can be judged by visitors for themselves. I have only read "Are Swiss racist thread" and I have to say that a large chunk of the posts are doing exactly same as what they are accusing the Swiss of doing. So how are those post that are generalizing the Swiss any different? You can look at your country of origin through rose coloured glasses but the reality is different. Time for everyone to look in the mirror and then maybe pack their bags?...you would be doing yourself and the foreigners who like it here a big favour.
Swiss are humans and they think like all humans PERIOD!
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JamaicanRum - I'm with you!
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Re: Is the English Forum racist?

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<snip> The EF seems no exception. I struggle to find any posts that say "why Switzerland is a great place to live".
For a positive thread, how about OK now tell me what you LOVE about Switzerland
I'm not a prisoner here and came out of choice, not even for employment reasons, and can leave tomorrow, but won't. I for one think it's a great place to live. I married a Swiss and just to prove it further became Swiss.
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I'm not sure how often the Jews and Arabs feature in these forums, but where would we be if we couldn't let off a bit of steam about "the Swiss" now and again. Switzerland is, thankfully, a free country where all shades of opinion are free to express themselves and the great thing I find is that the Swiss can take it without shouting foul - or racists...
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I'm not sure how often the Jews and Arabs feature in these forums, but where would we be if we couldn't let off a bit of steam about "the Swiss" now and again. Switzerland is, thankfully, a free country where all shades of opinion are free to express themselves and the great thing I find is that the Swiss can take it without shouting foul - or racists...
I'm not sure why you make a distinction about "the Swiss" - please explain. (as opposed to letting off steam about something else). Do you mean that because you live here that "the Swiss" are a more legitimate target?
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I'm not sure why you make a distinction about "the Swiss" - please explain. (as opposed to letting off steam about something else). Do you mean that because you live here that "the Swiss" are a more legitimate target?
Personally, I make a distinction about the Swiss because I'm a foreigner living in Switzerland. If I end up living in Germany, Israel, Saudi or wherever then I'll have views about the native population and how I see their stance to foreigners and people of different races.
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