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Old 03.09.2013, 07:41
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The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

Well, now that's a bummer:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/2/468...-windows-phone

"In fact, Microsoft's licensing deal for the Nokia brand doesn't include future Lumias — Nokia as a smartphone brand is effectively dead, as Microsoft takes the lineup in-house".

If they can't make tablets work, I seriously doubt they can fix up a decent smartphone. RIP Lumia - mine goes on Ricardo as soon as it's been established whether it'll still get updates now or not.

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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

Quite surreal when you think back a decade or so and Nokia was probably leading the way in mobile technology. I certainly had one back then and was a great phone. How fortunes change.
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Old 03.09.2013, 08:01
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Quite surreal when you think back a decade or so and Nokia was probably leading the way in mobile technology. I certainly had one back then and was a great phone. How fortunes change.
Quite. Can someone point me to a good analysis of where they went wrong? Spotting how and when to change in an evolving competitive landscape is tough. Yesterday's smartass is today's Microsoft acquistion - and it doesn't get any uncooler than that .
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Old 03.09.2013, 08:02
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Quite surreal when you think back a decade or so and Nokia was probably leading the way in mobile technology. I certainly had one back then and was a great phone. How fortunes change.
yeah - and it's even weirder considering that Nokia have had a massive rise in market share over the last couple of months. I guess they had to lower their margins and ruined their finances.
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Yesterday's smartass is today's Microsoft acquistion - and it doesn't get any uncooler than that .
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Old 03.09.2013, 08:19
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Quite. Can someone point me to a good analysis of where they went wrong? Spotting how and when to change in an evolving competitive landscape is tough. Yesterday's smartass is today's Microsoft acquistion - and it doesn't get any uncooler than that .
My opinion on Nokia in a very summarized post.

Nokia was No1 (in smartphones, I will ignore dumb phones in this whole post) when everybody else was so bad that it didn't even have to try to be No1. So it didn't know why it was No1 or how to stay there.
Nokia had one pretty bad OS (Symbian) that came from the old ages when the point was to save as much mobile data as possible because it costed a fortune. The whole OS is built on this idea.
Nokia was preparing an AMAZING OS, meego, but internal politics (see: Symbian was the favourite kid because it made all the profits at the time) meant that it was moving slowly and was considered a competitor to the Symbian team.
Still in Q4-2010 Symbian still sold more devices than Android or iPhone. It was crappy yes, but Android was not much better either and the Nokia brand name still meant something. Elop was already CEO since September 2010. In early Q1-2011 Symbian was still leading in units sold. This is clear evidence that people wanted to buy Nokia devices at the time.
The road ahead was clear to me: start selling meego devices, since it is a much better OS than Android 2.1 so people will like it and stick to it. By the way, the Symbian application store had about 100 thousand apps at the time and Nokia had made it very easy for a Symbian app to be ported to meego.
Alternatively: join Android which is obviously the next big thing, do the very best device on Android, pack it with Nokia Maps (free navigation at a time when mobile data was still expensive in most of the world) and go out there to grab 50% of Android sales. And please, the first Samsung Galaxy S was piece of cake for Nokia.
What they did: in February 2011 they killed Symbian overnight (the OS that was still No1 in devices sold, but when you announce that it's dead, people obviously stop buying it overnight), they pulled the plug on meego, they did not join Android, and they joined Windows, which had <1% market share at the time and less than 5 thousand apps in the marketplace.

Good job.
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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

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Nokia was preparing an AMAZING OS, meego, but internal politics (see: Symbian was the favourite kid because it made all the profits at the time) meant that it was moving slowly and was considered a competitor to the Symbian team.
Very true. Good summary of Nokia.

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mine goes on Ricardo as soon as it's been established whether it'll still get updates now or not.
I would keep it as one of the last of good original Lumia phones.
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Old 03.09.2013, 20:29
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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

lewton - thanks for that - fascinating - I really didn't expect an EF member to write an analysis specially for me, but that's our caring, sharing forum for you!

So, in summary, Nokia screwed up royally and are now getting what they richly deserved.
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Old 03.09.2013, 20:31
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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

Next in line is Blackberry who have a year to go if they are lucky.

If you want an industry leader that lost the plot bigger than Nokia then Blackberry RIM is your answer
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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

By the way, Nokia remains an independent company and is the No3 network equipment manufacturer globally (behind Ericsson and Huawei).
It is the ex Nokia Siemens Networks or NSN, which was a 50-50% joint-venture of Nokia and Siemens, but earlier in 2013 Nokia bought Siemens out of the JV. It is now called Nokia Solutions and Networks in order to maintain the NSN initials.
Another important business in Navteq, which provides mapping data to many customers, e.g. about 85% of car-embedded GPS systems get maps from Navteq as does Microsoft's Bing Maps.
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Old 05.09.2013, 06:10
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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

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Well, now that's a bummer:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/2/468...-windows-phone

"In fact, Microsoft's licensing deal for the Nokia brand doesn't include future Lumias Nokia as a smartphone brand is effectively dead, as Microsoft takes the lineup in-house".

If they can't make tablets work, I seriously doubt they can fix up a decent smartphone. RIP Lumia - mine goes on Ricardo as soon as it's been established whether it'll still get updates now or not.
Given microsofts reputation and big areas of the world dont trust them I dont see them becomong a threat in the phone business.

Would you buy a phone with microsoft labelled on it? NO
Samsung YES.
Apple YES

The market leaders have stole a march and buyingna phone company doesnt suddenly solve the issue. Admitted they have no choice as their products are becoming progressively less sought after in the core business maybe this is a smart move only time will tell but I wouldnt buy a microsoft phine and my children also said noway would they consider sonething so non cool
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Given microsofts reputation and big areas of the world dont trust them I dont see them becomong a threat in the phone business.

Would you buy a phone with microsoft labelled on it? NO
Samsung YES.
Apple YES

The market leaders have stole a march and buyingna phone company doesnt suddenly solve the issue. Admitted they have no choice as their products are becoming progressively less sought after in the core business maybe this is a smart move only time will tell but I wouldnt buy a microsoft phine and my children also said noway would they consider sonething so non cool
i have a Microsoft phone and have previously owned a galaxy andxan iPhone and the ms phone is miles better.

more people will move to ms phone in business as well due to the integration with the business apps.

there is a long way to go yet, i wouldn't rule ms out.
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Old 05.09.2013, 07:32
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Would you buy a phone with microsoft labelled on it? NO
Samsung YES.
Apple YES...l
That'd be YES, YES and NO for me. Apple has taken over the mantle of evil empire from Microsoft, which is quite an achievement.

What I've always liked about Nokia phones is their robustness. I've an N8, my wife has Lumia (Windows). Despite being dropped on hard stone floors, they continue working. Very solid devices.

The Windows phone is so much easier to use than the symbian.

In a couple of years I'll replace my phone with whatever seems to be the best smart phone on the market. Which won't be an apple.
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Old 05.09.2013, 08:54
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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

This is somewhat amusing, as the of my colleagues bought the Nokia semi-smartphone to underline their stance of being "different". Now I guess they can call themselves "unique" or "rare".
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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

I used to do business with Nokia from the time they developed their first mobile, they were great to do business with for many years until they started believing their own press and invincibility. A friend of mine in the purchasing dept forecasted their demise even before Elop came on board. The technology world is unforegiving. If you don't stay ahead you die and arrogant management hasten the demise.
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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

Years ago, my OH worked for Nokia's NRC (and I had worked in systems for a while before) and one night we were strolling through the streets of Helsinki when he mentioned some of the company directives shifted from software to primarily hardware. At that point, I said the phones were dead as software would be the thing that would distinguish phones. My SiL still works at HQ and it seems everyone is holding their breath to see what Microsoft will do. I sure hope they keep the company going or at least ease it out slowly since not only would the primary employees get the boot, but also there are quite a few 3rd party contractors that would be severely impacted by a major source of revenue disappearing. It's going to be a struggle for Finland to replace a company like that at a time when they need more employment not less.

It's a pity that it has come to this for what was once such a great company. It was tough working inside of it, though, as it was one of the most balkanized companies I've ever seen which made doing anything between departments/business units extremely difficult.
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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

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I worked in nokia/Salo for less than 1 year.
Storage area networking.
Worst data centre I have laid eyes on (serious)
I could not pull out a single cable from the switch
without kneeling down and praying that it was indeed the correct cable..

Walked out after seeing incompetent weak managers blame the workers.

No regrets over that at all.
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My first smartphone was a Nokia N97... the OS drove me nuts, but I kept it for 4 yrs as I really liked the keyboard and was holding off switching to iPhone. Always liked the build quality of Nokia. Held off iPhone purchase a while longer by purchasing an N900 and an N9. The N900 was an amazing device for developers and was a real pocket computer.

But the most amazing phone OS I have ever used was Meego with the N9. And the phone itself, was beautiful. Unfortunately, Elop killed the N9/Meego just as it was getting started. Time will tell if MS can do anything with the remnants of Nokia, but I am reasonably sure that if Nokia had stuck with Meego and continued putting out great hardware, that they would be a credible challenger to iOS and Android.

Such a sad ending...

So now I have an iPhone 4S. Very happy with it, as my home and business all run on Apple kit. But I miss the N9. Fired it up the other day to see if there was anything new and was, once again, struck with how Meego works!
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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

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I worked in nokia/Salo for less than 1 year.
Storage area networking.
Worst data centre I have laid eyes on (serious)
I could not pull out a single cable from the switch
without kneeling down and praying that it was indeed the correct cable..

Walked out after seeing incompetent weak managers blame the workers.

No regrets over that at all.
I never worked in the Salo DC as it was too far out in the middle of nowhere for me. Nokia sold off most of their IT force to HP ages ago...which likely is mostly to blame for the terrible state of the DC. Sadly, I think the Salo site will be one of the first to be closed and will cause a lot of economic hardship for the folks who live there.
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Re: The Nokia Smartphone line gets scrapped as MS buys Nokia

This thread needs more N-gage and sidetalking...
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