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Buying a European Warranty Motorrad [Motorbike]

I am considering buying a brand new motorcycle that is sold out and unavailable in Switzerland. I have called almost 100 dealers and no one has the bike in stock.

I am now considering purchasing the same bike from France and, of course, all the dealers here are trying to discourage me from doing so. They all say that the 'Swiss Guaranty' is 3 years as opposed to the European Guaranty which is only 2 (True). They also say that the hp (ps) will not be as high as the Swiss distributed bike.

The guy in France tells me that the bike is rated 85 kw (as are the Swiss bikes), and is identical to the Swiss bike. Does 85 kw = 114 ps (the same as the Swiss bike), or can the ps be different regardless of the kw rating.

I am not concerned about the resale value, but also wonder about Swiss dealers honoring the European service warranty if needed. Importing and registering the bike is not an issue whatsoever.

I would buy this bike in a heartbeat if it was available, but I am told that the next model will not arrive in Switzerland until October. I also understand that the Swiss dealers do not like outside competition which might be the reason for their opinions.
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Old 23.05.2014, 08:05
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I am considering buying a brand new motorcycle that is sold out and unavailable in Switzerland. I have called almost 100 dealers and no one has the bike in stock.

I am now considering purchasing the same bike from France and, of course, all the dealers here are trying to discourage me from doing so. They all say that the 'Swiss Guaranty' is 3 years as opposed to the European Guaranty which is only 2 (True). They also say that the hp (ps) will not be as high as the Swiss distributed bike.

The guy in France tells me that the bike is rated 85 kw (as are the Swiss bikes), and is identical to the Swiss bike. Does 85 kw = 114 ps (the same as the Swiss bike), or can the ps be different regardless of the kw rating.

I am not concerned about the resale value, but also wonder about Swiss dealers honoring the European service warranty if needed. Importing and registering the bike is not an issue whatsoever.

I would buy this bike in a heartbeat if it was available, but I am told that the next model will not arrive in Switzerland until October. I also understand that the Swiss dealers do not like outside competition which might be the reason for their opinions.
France has a power restriction that will end on 31.12.2015 in line with the rest of the EU

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...ked/21859.html
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I am not concerned about the resale value, but also wonder about Swiss dealers honoring the European service warranty if needed.
Depends. Is it a European warranty or a European Union warranty?
Probably the last one.
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Re: Buying a European Warranty Motorrad

Thank you for the quick responses. The bike has a standard European Union Warranty.

FMF, doe that mean that the Swiss dealer is correct in telling me that the bike will have less than the Swiss 114 hp (although the 85 kw rating). Maybe they put some type of governor on the bike to reduce the power. Is there a way to confirm the exact ps? I can't remember if this number is reflected on the Farzeugausweiss.
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Re: Buying a European Warranty Motorrad

Be aware that while the Swiss VAT is lower, you will have to do a noise/emissions test (CHF 1200), or get a certificate from the Swiss importer, typically CHF 1500 (if they are nice enough to give you one, they have no obligation to do so).

BTDT, both ways.

Also, if the bike has never been registered, it has to be up to the Swiss standards in effect on the date of import, and NOT manufacture.

BTDT, took a YEAR to get it registered!

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Maybe they put some type of governor on the bike to reduce the power.
They use restricter plates, which can be removed.

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Actually, it has become easier with any EU-approved vehicle or part being accepted in Switzerland. I think you'd be OK but it may not end up cheaper (even given the model appears to be not stocked in Switzerland).

What is the bike by the way?
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Actually, it has become easier with any EU-approved vehicle or part being accepted in Switzerland.
I last did it in 2008.

Don't think anything has changed since then, but it was much more PITA 20 years ago.

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I last did it in 2008.

Don't think anything has changed since then, but it was much more PITA 20 years ago.

Tom
I thought in the last 2-3 years, the EU CoC was being accepted for vehicles and parts. Certainly I was prepared to take the CoC for my slip-on with me when my bike gets checked.......thankfully the car has OEM parts - even though they were not delivered with the vehicle
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Re: Buying a European Warranty Motorrad

I am not so worried about the import misery. The dealer works with the guy in Switzerland to handle all that. The end price will be about the same as in Switzerland (he says he's already got some registered over here, hence they are sold with a Fahrzeugausweis).

Like I said, I'd buy the bike here if I could, but my biggest concern is the hp. Tom, how big a deal is it to get the 'restrictor plates' removed?

I have spent hours trying to get clear information. Thank you for all these great comments.
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Re: Buying a European Warranty Motorrad

Hi Sean, the bike is the new 2014 Yamaha MT-09. VERY popular bike. Some dealers DO have the bike, but not the color scheme.
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Re: Buying a European Warranty Motorrad

Ah the MT-09, nice bike. I think the French version won't wheelie until it's de-restricted.

Ask the guy handling the import if it's delivered de-restricted - that might be something they do as it comes in.

If you're worried about the horses, just get a BMW S1000R I think I'll be ordering one on Monday
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Tom, how big a deal is it to get the 'restrictor plates' removed?
Depends on whether you are handy with a wrench.

Basically, it's between the carb/TB and the head.

Looking at the MT-09, you'll have to remove the tank, airbox, and maybe some other stuff, so a few hours work.

As Sean said, see if the dealer will do it included in the price.

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Re: Buying a European Warranty Motorrad

Hi Sean, the reason I'm concerned about the color scheme, is because I want it to look nice against my other bike...BMW K1300R
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Hi Sean, the reason I'm concerned about the color scheme, is because I want it to look nice against my other bike...BMW K1300R
Now we're talking I was tempted to get one of those but they made me try the permagrin machine that is the S1000R and ........

If the dealer has some reference customers for you to talk to, that might set your mind at ease. The bike is the same for the EU and Switzerland (even 'zorst noise limits) so it should be a formality. Especially as the bike is sold here and thus the CoC is not needed.
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Re: Buying a European Warranty Motorrad

Thank you, Tom. Is there anyway, via purchase documentation, or otherwise to know if it has been already been brought to Swiss standards. The guy says its 'identical' to a Swiss bike, but who knows what that means.

Btw, the bike is for my girlfriend.
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Thank you Sean. Enjoy your bike.
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Thank you, Tom. Is there anyway, via purchase documentation, or otherwise to know if it has been already been brought to Swiss standards. The guy says its 'identical' to a Swiss bike, but who knows what that means.

Btw, the bike is for my girlfriend.
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She put 18k kms on an XJ6 in three years. No one loves to ride more than her. Time for her to graduate.
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Re: Buying a European Warranty Motorrad

After doing much more research, FMF, you are absolutely correct about maximum hp for French bikes. Now I need to figure out if its worth it to go through the hassle of modifiying the bike to maximum hp, rely on what the guy is telling me (regarding being up to 'Swiss standards') and dealing with the EU warranty down the road if needed. Not sure what to do.

Any other useful information, experiences, or advice regarding purchasing a foreign bike would be appreciated.

Looks like the Swiss have once again made a good argument for protectionism. I wish I would have bought this bike in Switzerland 6 weeks ago.
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After doing much more research, FMF, you are absolutely correct about maximum hp for French bikes. Now I need to figure out if its worth it to go through the hassle of modifiying the bike to maximum hp, rely on what the guy is telling me (regarding being up to 'Swiss standards') and dealing with the EU warranty down the road if needed. Not sure what to do.

Any other useful information, experiences, or advice regarding purchasing a foreign bike would be appreciated.

Looks like the Swiss have once again made a good argument for protectionism. I wish I would have bought this bike in Switzerland 6 weeks ago.
Hi Styx,
i have a question about your question
im looking for buy the same motorbike, just the new one 2016, the last year i want to have one, but like you, colors are out, anyway, in france i find a dealer and all i can find is good news, looks too good to be true, is cheaper, after the refund i will save like 2000 CHF, here i saw somebody say you need to pay a test of noise for 1200? that its true? and about the hp restrictions, well i saw in the description in the french page is lower, but just 9ch (here 115 and there 106) (well in germany is the same than here) do you ask if the dealer can fix it?

thanks for your help.

regards!
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