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Re: The importance of correct grammar

I go to church. I get back and the discussion still isn't over.
As we English say in English: I think un oeuf is enough.
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Old 07.02.2016, 13:47
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I go to church. I get back and the discussion still isn't over.
As we English say in English: I think un oeuf is enough.
Were there any nunions at church?
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Old 07.02.2016, 13:54
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I go to church. I get back and the discussion still isn't over.
As we English say in English: I think un oeuf is enough.
As we English say in English: I think zwei Eier sind nötig!
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Old 07.02.2016, 14:18
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Re: The importance of correct grammar

you forgot

un nwazo- so yes the w is there, after the 'n'

just like the 'w' is there after the 't' - un p'tit twazo (sounds like tw*t).

I was using the simple phonetics of the example give 'un wazo' and simply turning it in 'un noizo' - but if desired, we can add the 'w' too, and make it into un 'nwoizo but the 'n' just has to be there for it to flow.

I like that 'un oeuf is un oeuf' (but don't forget it is 'des zeu') Au revoir et bonne jounée - just been for coffee with friends- who all agree, as do friends who teach French at secondary level, Gymnase and Uni.
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Old 08.02.2016, 11:17
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Re: The importance of correct grammar

I'm glad I abandonned French after my CSEs.
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I'm glad I abandonned French after my CSEs.
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Old 08.02.2016, 16:10
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I was using the simple phonetics of the example give 'un wazo' and simply turning it in 'un noizo' - but if desired, we can add the 'w' too, and make it into un 'nwoizo but the 'n' just has to be there for it to flow.
Ignoring the 'n' bit which is irrelevant here, checking out Larousse we see two pages -
Phonetic Transcription opposite the page of Transcription Phonétique.
On the one list for English speakers:
French vowels
Semi vowels
[w] ouest, oui
On the other list, for French speakers:
Voyelles anglaises
Diphtongues
[ ɔɪ ] boy, foil

If so many learned folk agreed with Odile, I wonder what the exact working of the question she asked was. Perhaps it was simply a question about the 'n' liaison.
I must say, that if the people she referred to were teaching French to English speakers and the question was about the phonetics I quoted above, then I weep for the poor pupils. And I don't think much of the standard of University Education which doesn't make it clear that one builds on things one knows and English speakers need English Phonetics.
The two letters 'oi' are pronounced completely differently in the two languages. Thus one simply cannot use them as part of a English phonetic example to show English speakers how a French word should be pronounced.
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Re: The importance of correct grammar

The example given came from a French website, for the French

and the example was

Réforme orthographe : Oh le bel wazo



which is of course correct- and the sound spelling' too, from a French point of view. But BM gave the example without the 'bel' in front, but with 'un' - and yes, that does mean the liaison adds the sound 'n' - 'un nwazo'.


I thought you said 'un oeuf is un oeuf' I did my Degree in the UK btw.
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Old 08.02.2016, 16:42
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yes, that does mean the liaison adds the sound 'n' - 'un nwazo'.
Yaaaaaayyyyyy! FINALLY!!!!

Case closed, at last.
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Old 08.02.2016, 16:45
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As we English say in English: I think zwei Eier sind nötig!
Allow me to Godwinize this thread by mentioning Coloney Bogey and the River Kwai.
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