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If good equipment is so important for good photographs then surely we should see much better photographs from those individuals with all the gear - unless of course, choosing and buying equipment becomes the hobby itself and the actual photographs are secondary.

I've seen that with loads of other hobbies. I'm always amazed to see For Sale items here for items, including for example, really expensive bicycles where the owner states, in the advert, only used twice. WTF.
If I had a bike like that, I'd be out on it every day and the advert would read, "Used thousands of times".

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Anyway, back to the discussion over who's got the biggest lense...
Buying better equipment doesn't make you a better photographer, just as buying a Ferrari doesn't make you a better driver. It does, however, allow you to take better photos, and reach beyond the limitations of less capable kit, if you know how to use the improvements it brings.

That doesn't make the discussion on equipment any less valid for the people who do find it useful.
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I know what you mean. This thread should probably be called the photography equipment discussion thread. Given that the entire discussion has been on equipment and interestingly, before your post, there wasn't even a single photograph in the thread!

That said, I have to agree with RD that film is dying out and the future is certainly digital (actually, the present) but film should have a few more years - so I hope you enjoy film while you still can!

While we are talking equipment, I will say that the Holga is my favourite camera to use it is direct and extremely tactile. Although people love the quirky personality of the lens, I find it a shame there is not a high quality lens version to allow it to be a general use camera.
Film is alive and well. There are manufacturers who are making a profit out of film and paper (Ilford, Kodak). New products are being introduced all the time (Rollei, Maco and even Swiss products) and even Leica have introduced a new film camera into the market, as have Fuji and Rollei! Large format cameras are in full swing too (excuse the pun).

Should film ever give way it would be OK. The camera I posted information about is a wet plate camera, no film required. This is pre-film technology and all one needs is collodion and silver nitrate, all available from your local pharma friend.

Liquid emulsions are interesting to make too, so you can coat your own film or make paper negatives. Then there are all the alternative processes, kalitype, abrotypes, tintypes, palladium, cyanotypes, the list goes on and on. Digital is another type but it's only the market hype, short lived span of products and subsequent turnover that lead us into the perceived and hilarious notion that digital is 'more advanced than anything ever before'.

Microwave dinners.

There is a generation of young photographers who will want to know where their art comes from. They will go further back in time and in order to set themselves apart from the morass of digital photographers, will return to the source where it's really more about a tangible craft, style and physical materials.

Nobody said digital photography isn't art, I mean Warhol made sure that even a Coke bottle could be interpreted as art. Just look at Peter Lik's garish nightmare 'art' - consequently shot on Velvia and digitised for mass appeal.

All of the techniques and funky features fro Lightroom or photoshop come out of a darkroom, dodging, burning, masking, cloning, toning highlights, lifting shadows, contrast and even that god awful lurid HDR tosh can be done in the darkroom.

This thread should probably renamed to Digital Equipment and start another thread of the philosophy and critique of photography.
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Film is alive and well. There are manufacturers who are making a profit out of film and paper (Ilford, Kodak). New products are being introduced all the time (Rollei, Maco and even Swiss products) and even Leica have introduced a new film camera into the market, as have Fuji and Rollei! Large format cameras are in full swing too (excuse the pun).

Should film ever give way it would be OK. The camera I posted information about is a wet plate camera, no film required. This is pre-film technology and all one needs is collodion and silver nitrate, all available from your local pharma friend.

Liquid emulsions are interesting to make too, so you can coat your own film or make paper negatives. Then there are all the alternative processes, kalitype, abrotypes, tintypes, palladium, cyanotypes, the list goes on and on. Digital is another type but it's only the market hype, short lived span of products and subsequent turnover that lead us into the perceived and hilarious notion that digital is 'more advanced than anything ever before'.

Microwave dinners.

There is a generation of young photographers who will want to know where their art comes from. They will go further back in time and in order to set themselves apart from the morass of digital photographers, will return to the source where it's really more about a tangible craft, style and physical materials.

Nobody said digital photography isn't art, I mean Warhol made sure that even a Coke bottle could be interpreted as art. Just look at Peter Lik's garish nightmare 'art' - consequently shot on Velvia and digitised for mass appeal.

All of the techniques and funky features fro Lightroom or photoshop come out of a darkroom, dodging, burning, masking, cloning, toning highlights, lifting shadows, contrast and even that god awful lurid HDR tosh can be done in the darkroom.

This thread should probably renamed to Digital Equipment and start another thread of the philosophy and critique of photography.
Please feel free to create your own separate thread to discuss this, I think many would appreciate it.
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Since someone complained about lack of photos in a photography thread, here's a few shots from Lake Konstanz this week... was fun playing around with long exposures.
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Indeed, lets get some photographs on this thread. Here are a couple of pictures from the darkroom. These are of Zug lake, one lovely lunchtime.

This was taken with an old Yashica Mat 124, 6X6 medium format camera. It was printed on expired agfa fiber paper, toned in sepia and cobalt.

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This one was taken with a Hasselblad 500. Printed on Ilford Art 300 paper and toned with sepia and selenium.

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Interesting photos Grizzle, first one is quite abstract.

How much time goes into each photo until its finished?
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Indeed, lets get some photographs on this thread. Here are a couple of pictures from the darkroom. These are of Zug lake, one lovely lunchtime.

This was taken with an old Yashica Mat 124, 6X6 medium format camera. It was printed on expired agfa fiber paper, toned in sepia and cobalt.

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This one was taken with a Hasselblad 500. Printed on Ilford Art 300 paper and toned with sepia and selenium.

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Lovely pictures Where do you do all your printing? I am looking for a lab that allows me to do my own printing before I end up setting one up at home.

I love the YashicaMat, great piece of equipment on a fair price if you can find it.

The Hassie 500 is hardly a cheap camera by any standards, is it?
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Interesting photos Grizzle, first one is quite abstract.

How much time goes into each photo until its finished?
Thanks Richdog,

Developing the film takes a couple of hours. I can do 10 rolls at time, so that's 120 frames. The negatives are 6x6 cm.

I then make contact prints, which involves laying the negative strips directly on to the paper and exposing that. The result is a 1:1 positive of the negative. I will store up all my negatives and do contact printing in batches. I can get 30 done in a 3-4 hour session in the darkroom.

Then I select the negatives worth making prints from. I work with Fiber papers which are more time consuming than regular resin-coated papers. It takes one day to print, wash and dry. I never print more than 5 distinct images in a session. The printing will take one day.

Then I need another day for the toning process. This involves washing the prints in potassium ferricyanide bleach until the the silver halides are reactivated. I then treat the print to whichever toners I fancy, cobalt, sepia, selenium, gold, carbon etc. in order to get the desired effect.

So, I'd say 2-3 days to produce a print or series of prints.

It's more of a zen/meditative task for me. A hip-flask, some jazz, a darkened room, the red light and the smell of acetic acid in the air.

I enjoy the craft, painting with light and silver. Using one's hands, dancing under the light of the enlarger to dodge and burn, watching the image appear as the silver halides react with the chemicals.

It's alchemy.

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Lovely pictures Where do you do all your printing? I am looking for a lab that allows me to do my own printing before I end up setting one up at home.

I love the YashicaMat, great piece of equipment on a fair price if you can find it.

The Hassie 500 is hardly a cheap camera by any standards, is it?
The YashicaMat cost me 20. I found a roll of Kodak in it that went out of production in '71, which made it at least 40 years old. I developed the roll and found old pictures of a football team which I was able to locate to Bonnyrigg near Edinburgh. I passed on the images to a local rag and they actually managed to find someone who had been in the pictures.

The Hassie is still cheaper than a digital camera ;-)

I have a dedicated darkroom setup in a hobby-room in my basement.

You should try this site to find a darkroom http://www.darkroomlocator.com/#!en

Also, contact ars-imago in Zug. These guys sell analog only swag and also have a darkroom locator service.

Should you be looking for an enlarger, I have an LPL-6700 that I'll be selling.
It has a timer module and can take 35mm up to 6X7.
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Thanks Richdog,

Developing the film takes a couple of hours. I can do 10 rolls at time, so that's 120 frames. The negatives are 6x6 cm.

I then make contact prints, which involves laying the negative strips directly on to the paper and exposing that. The result is a 1:1 positive of the negative. I will store up all my negatives and do contact printing in batches. I can get 30 done in a 3-4 hour session in the darkroom.

Then I select the negatives worth making prints from. I work with Fiber papers which are more time consuming than regular resin-coated papers. It takes one day to print, wash and dry. I never print more than 5 distinct images in a session. The printing will take one day.

Then I need another day for the toning process. This involves washing the prints in potassium ferricyanide bleach until the the silver halides are reactivated. I then treat the print to whichever toners I fancy, cobalt, sepia, selenium, gold, carbon etc. in order to get the desired effect.

So, I'd say 2-3 days to produce a print or series of prints.

It's more of a zen/meditative task for me. A hip-flask, some jazz, a darkened room, the red light and the smell of acetic acid in the air.

I enjoy the craft, painting with light and silver. Using one's hands, dancing under the light of the enlarger to dodge and burn, watching the image appear as the silver halides react with the chemicals.

It's alchemy.
Oh I miss those days. As you said, it is very meditative. And you never get over that image appearing. See now you have made me nostalgic


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The YashicaMat cost me 20. I found a roll of Kodak in it that went out of production in '71, which made it at least 40 years old. I developed the roll and found old pictures of a football team which I was able to locate to Bonnyrigg near Edinburgh. I passed on the images to a local rag and they actually managed to find someone who had been in the pictures.

The Hassie is still cheaper than a digital camera ;-)

I have a dedicated darkroom setup in a hobby-room in my basement.

You should try this site to find a darkroom http://www.darkroomlocator.com/#!en

Also, contact ars-imago in Zug. These guys sell analog only swag and also have a darkroom locator service.

Should you be looking for an enlarger, I have an LPL-6700 that I'll be selling.
It has a timer module and can take 35mm up to 6X7.
That is quite cheap Congrats on a good find/deal.

I am a bit jealous of the setup. Maybe we could do a darkroom day out. I promise to bring good whiskey.

Thank you for the contacts and links. The ETH lab looks brilliant, I only wish I could use it.

Does the enlarger have any lenses? How much are you asking for it? I don't even know why I am lusting after it considering I don't have the space or place for it.
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Oh I miss those days. As you said, it is very meditative. And you never get over that image appearing. See now you have made me nostalgic




That is quite cheap Congrats on a good find/deal.

I am a bit jealous of the setup. Maybe we could do a darkroom day out. I promise to bring good whiskey.

Thank you for the contacts and links. The ETH lab looks brilliant, I only wish I could use it.

Does the enlarger have any lenses? How much are you asking for it? I don't even know why I am lusting after it considering I don't have the space or place for it.
The enlarger has a 50mm Nikor and could also include an 80mm lens in the package if you shoot medium format. I have the film inserts for 35mm and medium format. I will look at what is there and price it for you.

As for kit, in the darkroom I have a Durst Laborator 1200 with an Ilford Multigrade 500 head (I actually have 2 of them).

As for cameras, I have a Canon A-E1, Leica M7, M9-P, YashicaMat, 2 X Hasselblads, 2 X Mamiya 7ii, Mamiya RZ67, a couple of Holgas and a 4X5 Intrepid on the way.

I have a problem.

Yes, we can do a darkroom day, the only whiskey allowed in the darkroom is Islay malt. Nothing else will do :-)
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The enlarger has a 50mm Nikor and could also include an 80mm lens in the package if you shoot medium format. I have the film inserts for 35mm and medium format. I will look at what is there and price it for you.

As for kit, in the darkroom I have a Durst Laborator 1200 with an Ilford Multigrade 500 head (I actually have 2 of them).

As for cameras, I have a Canon A-E1, Leica M7, M9-P, YashicaMat, 2 X Hasselblads, 2 X Mamiya 7ii, Mamiya RZ67, a couple of Holgas and a 4X5 Intrepid on the way.

I have a problem.

Yes, we can do a darkroom day, the only whiskey allowed in the darkroom is Islay malt. Nothing else will do :-)
That is not a problem. We both suffer from the same affliction. I have a couple of Nikons, leica m4, pocket medium format cameras, a zorki and a yashica electro 35

The moment you said whiskey, I only heard Islay. Nothing else comes close.
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Here's a photo of the Isle of Rum, taken from Eigg. Mamiya 7ii, 43mm lens, Velvia 50 slide film.

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Here's the Isle of Rum, also taken from Eigg. Hasselblad 500cm, 50mm lens, Velvia 50 slide film. This was taken just before dawn, that blue temporal moment.

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Since someone complained about lack of photos in a photography thread, here's a few shots from Lake Konstanz this week... was fun playing around with long exposures.
Nice light!

It would be useful to others perhaps to include exposure times, focal length, aperture etc on this thread. What do you reckon?

Don't talk this the wrong way Richdog but do you understand the "Rule of thirds"? as shown here.

The cloud one is a nice composition but the others, though technically good, could do with a bit of composition. (i.e. 2/3 sky, 1/3 water or something along those lines).

Feel free to comment!
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Here's a photo of the Isle of Rum, taken from Eigg. Mamiya 7ii, 43mm lens, Velvia 50 slide film.

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Here's the Isle of Rum, also taken from Eigg. Hasselblad 500cm, 50mm lens, Velvia 50 slide film. This was taken just before dawn, that blue temporal moment.

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I am not sure if you know of this guy - http://www.brucepercy.co.uk/ but you will love his work. Especially since you seem to have the same style.
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Nice light!

It would be useful to others perhaps to include exposure times, focal length, aperture etc on this thread. What do you reckon?

Don't talk this the wrong way Richdog but do you understand the "Rule of thirds"? as shown here.

The cloud one is a nice composition but the others, though technically good, could do with a bit of composition. (i.e. 2/3 sky, 1/3 water or something along those lines).

Feel free to comment!
I did think of saying the rule of thirds thing but didn't want to sound like the fitness bro in the gym who goes around telling people what they are doing wrong.

I like the idea of the other details being posted with the photo as long as people do not get enamoured by just that. Every light situation is different and I hope we all understand that
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I did think of saying the rule of thirds thing but didn't want to sound like the fitness bro in the gym who goes around telling people what they are doing wrong.
There's another thread on here where people can simply post their photos (of Switzerland) for others to admire but probably not critique.

Surely this one ought to be different?
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I am not sure if you know of this guy - http://www.brucepercy.co.uk/ but you will love his work. Especially since you seem to have the same style.
lol, yes I know Bruce and was actually on one of his workshops when these pictures were taken.
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There's another thread on here where people can simply post their photos (of Switzerland) for others to admire but probably not critique.

Surely this one ought to be different?
Critique is good.

Using the rule of thirds is a way to immediately improve your pictures, however it's more of a guide. Rules are there to be broken.

It is also dependent on format, I don't think it applies to 4X5, 8X10 or 6X6. Square format opens up a whole new world of geometry in photos.

I find 35mm too long anyway and rule of 3rds certainly works. I find studying classic composition and flow from older masters more interesting (Titian for example).

It's the relationship between elements in the frame that are important where rules can be broken. Provided a balance is maintained (or not - for deliberate discord perhaps) then eye is pleased.
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Using the rule of thirds is a way to immediately improve your pictures, however it's more of a guide. Rules are there to be broken.


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Agreed. But sometimes when I look at an amazing image and ask myself why it is so good, it usually conforms to one or more 'rules' of composition.

By the way, I love your photos - they have fantastic atmosphere and feeling.


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It is also dependent on format, I don't think it applies to 4X5, 8X10 or 6X6.

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Absolutely. I was thinking in reference to those particular images.
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I did think of saying the rule of thirds thing but didn't want to sound like the fitness bro in the gym who goes around telling people what they are doing wrong.

I like the idea of the other details being posted with the photo as long as people do not get enamoured by just that. Every light situation is different and I hope we all understand that
I think we should just stop trying to define what people should and shouldn't post... it's a general photography thread and anything sensibly related to photography can be discussed. Simples.
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