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Build a circular runway and never have to worry about it being too short.
They have the M25 which makes a complete circle around London. Surely they should redeploy that as a runway. Who needs cars anyway.
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Dear Mother,

In law, there is nothing to make me say thank you, but the quality of your gifts compels me at least to write to tell you how I feel. Thank you so much for the presents! I was expecting nothing more than a token yet, again, you have exceeded even your own incredible standards.

It was a shame you had to stay here for such a short time. I thought I might have coped, but it was unbearable seeing you leave. The relief was immense when I heard we might see you again soon. I wanted to end it all by saying goodbye now. I hope I will not have to say it to you again for a long time. If you have the opportunity to spend Christmas elsewhere next year, please do not.

Much love

Matthew



Dear Mother-in-Law,

There is nothing to make me say thank you, but the quality of your gifts compels me at least to write to tell you how I feel. Thank you? So much for the presents I was expecting. Nothing more than a token, yet again! You have exceeded even your own incredible standards.

It was a shame you had to stay here. For such a short time, I thought I might have coped, but it was unbearable. Seeing you leave, the relief was immense. When I heard we might see you again soon, I wanted to end it all. By saying goodbye now, I hope I will not have to say it to you again for a long time. If you have the opportunity to spend Christmas elsewhere next year, please do.

Not much love

Matthew


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Old 23.02.2015, 23:37
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Re: Heathrow or Gatwick?

It's not about the expansion potential, it's about politicians having done nothing and continuing to do nothing that is affecting all of the UK's major airports.

I lived next to LHR for years and know the place back to front. In the 70s, there was no way to expand the airport to the west because of the sewage works. Said the airport authority of the day, the BAA and the governments. Well, 30 odd years later, the sewage was pumped away and Terminal 5 now stands majestic as BA's Mothership. LHR's development has been bounced around between so many governments unwilling to make a decision because of the fear of losing short term votes whilst air traffic has been growing exponentially. Even though property prices in Hounslow, Windsor and Staines areas continue to rise because of people wanting to live close to LHR.

One solution is to build an additional runway or 2 at LHR, but this means wiping out one or more small towns. Not nice if you live off the A4 or in Stanwell Moor. Compulsory land purchases are linked to long and drawn out court cases and could mean further decades of delays. In the meantime, Amsterdam, Paris and Frankfurt are doing what they can to attract lucrative long haul flights and expanding existing hubs to cope with increased passenger numbers.

LGW only effectively has one runway, (the parallel strip is too close to the main one to allow simultaneous operations) and building another runway in the green belt is also going to be met with fierce local opposition.

Without a long term air transport policy and effective, even if unpopular, future planning, London's airports will become more of a destination to avoid rather than travel to/from or via.
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Re: Heathrow or Gatwick?

I still think the old & much ignored idea of using Manston should be revisited. It has the runway already (longer than the other options). The money saved could be spent on improved transport links - improved HSL to central London and an extension and upgrade to the M2 could probably be covered in the budget. Much cheaper than the environmental nightmare of Boris Island (will the palm trees fold back? Had to ask!)
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Being sensible, neither airport is suitable for expansion. Heathrow is full up - they so themselves, and Gatwick is on the wrong side of London. Why bring more aircraft to an already over crowded airspace?

The only sensible thing is to expand the northern airports: why make half the population travel across Britain to go on holiday? If there were more long distance flights available from northern airports, London would be better off.

Think outside the box! Why do all these planes fly to Heathrow? http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/Info/MAN/Schedules
That's pretty much my thoughts. Utilise other airports to their full potential first.

e.g. Move a lot of the cargo to Manston/Stansted with improved connections to London, Felixtowe and the channel crossings

Ban all small planes from Heathrow and Gatwick to maximise the passenger throughput. This may mean airlines sharing flights

Utilise many of the smaller airports for business flights etc.

The capacity is there. The space just needs to be used better
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Re: Heathrow or Gatwick?

Maybe I'll adopt an opinion on ur crass comment.... and just ignore it
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Old 24.02.2015, 15:38
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e.g. Move a lot of the cargo to Manston/Stansted with improved connections to London, Felixtowe and the channel crossings

Ban all small planes from Heathrow and Gatwick to maximise the passenger throughput. This may mean airlines sharing flights

Utilise many of the smaller airports for business flights etc.

The capacity is there. The space just needs to be used better
Your facts are rather flawed. First off, Manston Airport was closed in 2014. Stansted is already a cargo hub for the likes of the major courier companies such as FedEx etc.

Hardly any "small planes" use LHR or LGW, they were pushed out decades ago to Northolt, Farnborough, Biggin Hill and Oxford and continue to use Luton in the north as well.

The capacity is not there in the Southeast. Runways have disappeared never to reappear. Factory airfields at Weybridge and Wisley have gone, and alternate military sites destroyed such as Greenham Common or Upper Heyford. With the USAF leaving Mildenhall in the next five years, there is a viable alternative to Cambridge which as frequently failed to attract any real London air traffic.

In less than 10 years time there will only be the low cast carriers using Luton, Stansted, Gatwick and Southend. And the major airlines will have formed even larger mega alliances to try and survive against the big three from the Middle East, Emirates, Ethihad & Qatar. In the meantime, Schiphol will probably offer more destinations than LHR.

It's more than time that some UK Government took some pride and built Heathrow back to its deserved hub status rather than adding a new terminal every 15 years and shoving the runway decision on to yet another spineless committee.
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Your facts are rather flawed. First off, Manston Airport was closed in 2014. Stansted is already a cargo hub for the likes of the major courier companies such as FedEx etc.

Hardly any "small planes" use LHR or LGW, they were pushed out decades ago to Northolt, Farnborough, Biggin Hill and Oxford and continue to use Luton in the north as well.

The capacity is not there in the Southeast. Runways have disappeared never to reappear. Factory airfields at Weybridge and Wisley have gone, and alternate military sites destroyed such as Greenham Common or Upper Heyford. With the USAF leaving Mildenhall in the next five years, there is a viable alternative to Cambridge which as frequently failed to attract any real London air traffic.

In less than 10 years time there will only be the low cast carriers using Luton, Stansted, Gatwick and Southend. And the major airlines will have formed even larger mega alliances to try and survive against the big three from the Middle East, Emirates, Ethihad & Qatar. In the meantime, Schiphol will probably offer more destinations than LHR.

It's more than time that some UK Government took some pride and built Heathrow back to its deserved hub status rather than adding a new terminal every 15 years and shoving the runway decision on to yet another spineless committee.
Although Manston is closed, it is still there and people haven't given up on it reopening.

I wasn't just thinking of small business planes but some of the smaller passenger planes such as the charter airlines.

Basically, I don't think that hub airports are the right answer. Other regional airports can play their part.

If a hub airport is vital then Heathrow or Gatwick aren't the location for them. A Thames Estuary Island airport may be better for the distant future
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Re: Heathrow or Gatwick?

The Davies Commission report is now out. LHR is favored.

Read all about it here.
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Old 01.07.2015, 18:39
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Re: Heathrow or Gatwick?

The London mayor, Boris Johnson was on TV news at lunchtime saying that Heathrow expansion "Wasn't going to happen" so he knows more than many. His idea for 4 runways on the marshes east of London is OK, but again sited in the wrong place.

I would be happy to leave Heathrow running at 98% capacity, and let the market decide which airport will become the most popular. It is a bit like trying to get the Olympic games, it's a race the British would be better off losing.

If 30% of Heathrow passengers transfer to other flights, then maybe they should fly to Frankfurt, Paris, or Amsterdam and leave London alone. Presumably if 30% land and then 30% take off again, Heathrow would benefit a lot by not having these transit passengers at all.
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Old 01.07.2015, 18:46
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If 30% of Heathrow passengers transfer to other flights, then maybe they should fly to Frankfurt, Paris, or Amsterdam and leave London alone. Presumably if 30% land and then 30% take off again, Heathrow would benefit a lot by not having these transit passengers at all.
Noooo, not Frankfurt.

I don't want to defend Heathrow as a hub. In fact its pretty awful, especially if you need to change between terminals. But Frankfurt? The staff are even more grumpy and stuck up than at Heathrow, and the shops are even more depressingly useless. It's just not a pleasant place to be.

The only redeeming thing abouit Frankfurt is that it has a mainline train station so if you're going there by train it's actually quite a humane experience. That's one thing Heathrow lacks.
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Re: Heathrow or Gatwick?

So it's Heathrow!

Already, BoJo is putting the mockers on it, and he did once promise to lie down in front of the machines when work began. Reckon we could make a fortune selling tickets for that one if he did


Personally, I don't think it will happen. All we really needed was a dedicated cargo runway at Stansted or Luton or further north, and the problem would have largely been solved. Making it Heathrow involves people losing their homes, businesses that serve Heathrow (along the Bath Road) having to relocate further away, even if only temporarily, and even more congestion on the M25. It's a planning and logistical disaster at a time when the UK really doesn't need this on top of everything else.

http://news.sky.com/story/live-will-...throw-10631557

No wonder my OH has resorted to calling the PM Theresa disMay.
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Old 25.10.2016, 17:19
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Re: Heathrow or Gatwick?

It's about bloody time. Let's get the damn runway built. While we're at it, let's greenlight extra runways for Gatwick (and Standsted just to stop them whining).

Let's also relocate anyone complaining about the noise to the outer hebrides.
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Re: Heathrow or Gatwick?

Nah Phil. Got to disagree there.

Right from the off, they should have built a trainline running parallel to the M25 with off shoot lines to Stansted, Luton, Gatwick and City. At present, it's a total ballache flying into one airport and transitting across to another.

Boris Island was never going to happen because of fog from the North Sea coming into the estuary. Stansted was always the best option because it's surrounded by relatively flat fields.


As for complaining about the noise...did you ever or work there live there?
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Nah Phil. Got to disagree there.

Right from the off, they should have built a trainline running parallel to the M25 with off shoot lines to Stansted, Luton, Gatwick and City. At present, it's a total ballache flying into one airport and transitting across to another.

Boris Island was never going to happen because of fog from the North Sea coming into the estuary. Stansted was always the best option because it's surrounded by relatively flat fields.


As for complaining about the noise...did you ever or work there live there?
It's like those idiots who move next to a centuries old Church only to complain about the bells.

As for transiting, it would be sensible to avoid transiting between airports - just fly to the right one.
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Re: Heathrow or Gatwick?

Every other big airport in the region has at least 4 runways... and they are making a song and dance about adding a 3rd to a completely inappropriate old infrastructure like heathrow. They should have gone for the thames estuary.
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Re: Heathrow or Gatwick?

maybe they can also build a white elephant maglev bullet train to go from the airport to the centre of london with a travel time of 7 minutes.
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Re: Heathrow or Gatwick?

First sign of fog, City is the first airport to close. Thames Estuary would have been even worse. Just completely impractical.

Phil, you didn't answer the question? Have you?

I chose to live close to Heathrow as both myself and my OH worked there. You do get used to the noise. It was only when friends came to stay that I really noticed it because they were shocked at how low the A380s flew directly over our house, and one Thai flight nearly took our chimney off...I wish I was exaggerating that one and it was the only time in 18mths I was scared (shaking like a sh*tting dog scared).
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Phil, you didn't answer the question? Have you?
how is it relevant? if i did, do i become completely right and you would bow to my superior experience?
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First sign of fog, City is the first airport to close. Thames Estuary would have been even worse. Just completely impractical.
Why is this necessary?

Surely with modern radar and computer supported decisions, landing a plane in zero visisbility should be a piece of cake.

Or if we're not there yet then surely its something they ought to be spending research money on.
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