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Re: Any Slovenians here- help please

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Since we spend a lot of time in Trieste, I'm quite used to it myself.

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Hah, I would love to hear you pronouncing Slovenian names..
But it's OK, we all think we got it right.....
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Old 25.11.2015, 12:15
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But both those sounds are the same.....
they are totally not the same.

Here is "soft C", how it is pronounced:


Also in words like "amici". "Vicenzo Corleone"

This sound is not used in English, as far as I know.



"Hard C" sounds like the first sound of Chest, Chestnut, Church (in English)
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Old 25.11.2015, 12:32
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Re: Any Slovenians here- help please

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they are totally not the same.

Here is "soft C", how it is pronounced:


Also in words like "amici". "Vicenzo Corleone"

This sound is not used in English, as far as I know.



"Hard C" sounds like the first sound of Chest, Chestnut, Church (in English)
But the 'c' in the cinque and the other one in that clip is pronounced exactly the same as the ch in chestnut, church, chest in English so that doesn't work as an example of the difference between the two "c" sounds. The example you give in the clip is the 'ch' sound in English.

In English a hard 'c' would be something like carrot, car, carpet etc and a soft 'c' would be like rice, race, face.
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Old 25.11.2015, 13:26
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they are totally not the same.

Here is "soft C", how it is pronounced:


Also in words like "amici". "Vicenzo Corleone"

This sound is not used in English, as far as I know.



"Hard C" sounds like the first sound of Chest, Chestnut, Church (in English)

Cinque and Church start with the same sound. They even use the same phonetic symbol which is a ts sort of thing.
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Old 25.11.2015, 13:27
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Re: Any Slovenians here- help please

Well, if there are any Slovenians here, never mind the pronunciation, but anyone know any Maric?
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Old 25.11.2015, 13:32
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Re: Any Slovenians here- help please

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Cinque and Church start with the same sound. They even use the same phonetic symbol which is a ts sort of thing.
Again, not if you are from Tuscany or Veneto (and some other places).

In such places, Cinque ans Shout start with the same sound.

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Old 25.11.2015, 13:36
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But the 'c' in the cinque and the other one in that clip is pronounced exactly the same as the ch in chestnut, church, chest in English so that doesn't work as an example of the difference between the two "c" sounds. The example you give in the clip is the 'ch' sound in English.

No, it is not. There is a difference in sound.

(The same way the difference between a and ä is for me very hard to hear, and very easy for native German speaker. )

Perhaps you can hear it a bit better in the example below, from 2m40s:
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(The same way the difference between a and ä is for me very hard to hear, and very easy for native German speaker. )
Off topic - but yes, I've come across this sort of thing too. Chill, Jill, chews, juice, try, dry, work, walk, bet, bed, plead, bleed - difference în sound in each of the pairs seems to be more distinctive to a native English ear than to many German speakers. So I guess we may not hear the difference in Slovenian sounds in the same way as they would.
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No, it is not. There is a difference in sound.

(The same way the difference between a and ä is for me very hard to hear, and very easy for native German speaker. )

Perhaps you can hear it a bit better in the example below, from 2m40s:
I can assure you that to a native English speaker those sounds are identical. Your example may work for other nationalities but it doesn't work for us.

The difference in sound is clear in that link though.
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Off topic - but yes, I've come across this sort of thing too. Chill, Jill, chews, juice, try, dry, work, walk, bet, bed, plead, bleed - difference în sound in each of the pairs seems to be more distinctive to a native English ear than to many German speakers. So I guess we may not hear the difference in Slovenian sounds in the same way as they would.
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Exactly.
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Old 25.11.2015, 18:07
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Again, not if you are from Tuscany or Veneto (and some other places).

In such places, Cinque ans Shout start with the same sound.

Tom
Yeah, we know. You know every regional variation.
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