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What is China's real motivation?

China is quietly buying the world whilst the so called superpowers are distracted with their petty games. Wake up world and realise where the real trouble is, either China or an Alien invasion is needed to make the rest of us sit up and take note.

Perhaps whilst you are singing the praises of China and its contribution in buying up your infrastructure, commodities and anything you have of value you should read about Australian babies going hungry whilst baby milk formula is stripped off the shelves to be sent to China in response to China removing the 1 child policy and the potential demand to feed the baby boom.

This is a tiny example of what the future will hold for the rest of the world as China is cleverly preparing itself for the day when it needs to feed, house, pay and manage its massive population and given its sterling human rights record do you honestly think the rest of us will stand a chance?

Look around you, EU should park itself in the nearest nursing home and eat tapioca pudding and play bridge having failed to evolve, US is like a woman gripped in a manic menopausal episode, Russia is no better than a hardened tacky bitch in leapard print lycra, Mid East is being set up to obliterate each other. Africa has been hungry for as long as I can remember and knows the rest of the world will wipe its butt so long as UNICF ads with snot nosed children run on TV, India and Pakistan are next in line to start a chapati war and the other nations are just loose change so that leaves China at the top of the food chain…

I am no historian, sociologist, economist, politician other than just an ordinary person of average intelligence who observes the world and wonders isn’t it time we really woke up and dug way deep down and recovered our common sense and intelligence and started to behave like adults and asked some real questions about the state of the world.

Should the current level of Chinese backed global investment activity be permitted? Who is regulating this activity and placing some boundaries on China’s rights and actions in the future?

If corporate takeovers are closely watched, criticised and assessed why is the same not being applied to China’s attempts to take over the world.

The real war began years ago quietly without guns and bombs….
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I was having the same conversation with my OH the othr day, on the back of the Syngenta aquisition.

If you want some good reading, check out the level of Chinese investment in African nations. It's quite spectacular. My OH was born and raised in Guateng, Johannesburg, and this is what's happening there right now...

http://www.southafrica.info/business...m#.VrXQ4peKjsY

Chinese businesses and personal investors are also buying office blocks and residential apartments in London and leaving them standing empty. London also has an issue with Chinese, Malaysian and Russian investors forcing up the property prices and freezing Londoners out of the housing market.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...th-london-glut

2-3 years ago, any person with a Chinese parent or grandparent wanting to enter India on a Business visa, automatically had their application swent for review, a process which took a minimum of 3 months to complete. At that time, I had a client with a Chinese surname, who was born in Hong Kong but carried a British passport, His visa application was repeatedly reviewed by the Indian Embassy in London because he had two Chinese grandparents, and it took over 6 months for them to issue his visa.

India was very suspicious of Chinese investment, but has now relaxed their rules because they could see they're missing out.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...w/50734979.cms

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c1a89...#axzz3zNuYqwdG
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just an ordinary xenophobe of lower than average intelligence who inaccurately observes the world and draws paranoid deluded conclusions.
Fixed that for you. Ad hominem isn't always a logical fallacy. Makes a change from anti-Islam rantings I suppose.
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Re: What is China's real motivation?

- park savings in safe havens or investments
- secure food chain and supply chain for key industries
- grow the economy
- improve national security
- maintain popular contentment
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London also has an issue with Chinese, Malaysian and Russian investors forcing up the property prices and freezing Londoners out of the housing market.
Unless one already owns property, in which case ... I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.
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- park savings in safe havens or investments
- secure food chain and supply chain for key industries
- grow the economy
- improve national security
- maintain popular contentment
Then, tomorrow evening, try to take over the world.
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Fixed that for you. Ad hominem isn't always a logical fallacy. Makes a change from anti-Islam rantings I suppose. :rolleyes
Xenophobic? Low intelligence? Wow harsh words for a stranger. But in the sprit of observing forum rules and good manners all I can say is go back to enjoying your Haribot golden bears, colouring in your MBA books and humming like an idealist 5 year old. Bliss...I am off to buy scented candles at Globus and will make sure to check the made in...lable...don't get me started on thatl ��

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Fixed that for you. Ad hominem isn't always a logical fallacy. Makes a change from anti-Islam rantings I suppose. :rolleyes
Xenophobic? Low intelligence? Wow harsh words for a stranger.
For a stranger who comes onto an established community and starts promoting tin-foil hat wearing pteropine-guano-bonkers conspiracy theories to a bunch of strangers who may find your paranoid rantings offensive? I think not.


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I doubt very much whether many folk here wanted you to start on anything in the first place.
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I doubt very much whether many folk here wanted you to start on anything in the first place.
hmm...disagree judging by the responses except yours.

Facts are much stronger evidence than vitriolic assumptions.

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For a stranger who comes onto an established community and starts promoting tin-foil hat wearing pteropine-guano-bonkers conspiracy theories to a bunch of strangers who may find your paranoid rantings offensive? I think not.
Whilst I agree that the OP's argument wasn't best stated, the facts behind Chinese investment expansion, particularly in Africa, raises concerns about the side effects of globalisation. The Modderfontein project definitely raises issues that the South African government are failing to address, let alone resolve.

http://www.africaprogresspanel.org/a...FeQp0wod8fsBNg
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Re: What is China's real motivation?

Call me an old hippy if you like, but I think it's amusing to see Europeans and Americans getting excited about Chinese motives for taking over large chunks of the world. Empire building wasn't such a problem when it was us doing it. Aren't their motives exactly the same?
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Re: What is China's real motivation?

I have this strong deja vu notion. Replace "China" with "Japan" and you get exactly what the (well, Western) world was concerned about in the 80s.
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hmm...disagree judging by the responses except yours.

Facts are much stronger evidence than vitriolic assumptions.

I'll buy an extra candle for you and send you positive vibes...ciao
For those who said we should be nice to newbies?
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For those who said we should be nice to newbies?
Whisper it - but not all newbies are trolls. Or is it the other way round?

We have this one and the private banking one at the moment.
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Call me an old hippy if you like, but I think it's amusing to see Europeans and Americans getting excited about Chinese motives for taking over large chunks of the world. Empire building wasn't such a problem when it was us doing it. Aren't their motives exactly the same?
Well you've got someone with a similar way of thinking here, which is exactly why it concerns me. Us empire builders did as much harm as good and have spent forever trying to rectify parts of it. If this investment was inclusive and beneficial to the people of the regions they're investing in, then fill your boots!

When it's something like Toyota's factory at Burnaston, fill your boots!

When it's building a high tech city on the outskirts on Johannesburg, I want to see what's being done to increase the educational and employment prospects of the local people.
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Look around you, EU should park itself in the nearest nursing home and eat tapioca pudding and play bridge having failed to evolve, US is like a woman gripped in a manic menopausal episode, Russia is no better than a hardened tacky bitch in leapard print lycra, Mid East is being set up to obliterate each other. Africa has been hungry for as long as I can remember and knows the rest of the world will wipe its butt so long as UNICF ads with snot nosed children run on TV, India and Pakistan are next in line to start a chapati war and the other nations are just loose change so that leaves China at the top of the food chain…
What's up with your crap vocabulary regarding women? Do you have some unresolved issues?

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I am no historian, sociologist, economist, politician other than just an ordinary person of average intelligence who observes the world and wonders isn’t it time we really woke up and dug way deep down and recovered our common sense and intelligence and started to behave like adults and asked some real questions about the state of the world.
So you are a nobody of average intelligence. Great! I'm all ears. NOT!
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What's up with your crap vocabulary regarding women? Do you have some unresolved issues?



So you are a nobody of average intelligence. Great! I'm all ears. NOT!
I thought you were all bones...

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Well you've got someone with a similar way of thinking here, which is exactly why it concerns me. Us empire builders did as much harm as good and have spent forever trying to rectify parts of it. If this investment was inclusive and beneficial to the people of the regions they're investing in, then fill your boots!

When it's something like Toyota's factory at Burnaston, fill your boots!

When it's building a high tech city on the outskirts on Johannesburg, I want to see what's being done to increase the educational and employment prospects of the local people.
Thanks for your comments and I will read your articles. Don't waste your time here. This forum is not designed for this type of debate. Let's stick to asking seniors for advice, they play much nice when u stroke their egos...take care

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Ad hominem isn't always a logical fallacy.
OK but it's always an informal one.
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Thanks for your comments and I will read your articles. Don't waste your time here. This forum is not designed for this type of debate. Let's stick to asking seniors for advice, they play much nice when u stroke their egos...take care
Absolutely. If you'd sneaked this in a thread with a thanks button you would have got one for that..
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Thanks for your comments and I will read your articles. Don't waste your time here. This forum is not designed for this type of debate. Let's stick to asking seniors for advice, they play much nice when u stroke their egos...take care
It's not that bad to be honest. You should try to stick around for a while and refine your arguments There were a few points you made that I'd take issue with, but I can see that basic point was there and worthy of discussion.

So you've rubbed a few people up the wrong way... So what! Do you believe you have a valid point to make and can deliver it without appearing to have another agenda, e.g. do you believe you can be seen as racist, sexist, etc...?

There's always going to be people who post 'ad hominem', which is a term I'd never encountered until my early 40's because Brits rarely use it outside of the court room, and you'll always get people who quote Chomsky and Dawkins, with or without the references, because they think it sounds clever and can't think for themselves.

It's the same on every forum I've encountered, but way less aggressive that the travel forum I use once in a while. Trust me on that one! Everyone thinks they're a travel agent because they once booked an Easyjet flight.
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