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Old 02.06.2016, 19:59
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UK, potential rapist is controlled by pre nuptual (Friday thread??)

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-y...shire-35385227

Sexual risk orders were introduced in England and Wales in March 2015 and can be applied to any individual who the police
believe poses a risk of causing sexual harm, even if they have never been convicted of a crime.

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Old 02.06.2016, 21:08
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Re: UK, potential rapist is controlled by pre nuptual (Friday thread??)

I think it's appalling.

What happened to things like, you know, evidence, a fair trial, innocent until proven guilty?
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Old 02.06.2016, 21:12
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Re: UK, potential rapist is controlled by pre nuptual (Friday thread??)

Surely it's also a breach of privacy (?) for any potential partner of his? Is this a new "law"? The article doesn't say if it's for a set period of time, either. Presumably this can't be enforced forever.


Plus, actually, who would know?
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Old 03.06.2016, 00:53
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Re: UK, potential rapist is controlled by pre nuptual (Friday thread??)

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It would seem that after a lady failed to make a rape accusation stick, the judge ordered the accused man to inform the police before he intended having sex again, and he must supply her name, address and date of birth.

That'll learn him! http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-y...shire-35385227

Sexual risk orders were introduced in England and Wales in March 2015 and can be applied to any individual who the police
believe poses a risk of causing sexual harm, even if they have never been convicted of a crime.

It seems like a good idea to me, it would never be allowed here, too much invasion of privacy.
It wouldn't be allowed here for darn good reason. She couldn't make the accusation stick? He's proofed guilty or he is not. What kind of judge is that I wonder?!

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I think it's appalling.

What happened to things like, you know, evidence, a fair trial, innocent until proven guilty?
agreed, 100%. Worse, apparantly he was proven innocent. Even if it were "aus Mangel an Beweisen", acquittal is acquittal.
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Old 03.06.2016, 02:23
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Re: UK, potential rapist is controlled by pre nuptual (Friday thread??)

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I think it's appalling.

What happened to things like, you know, evidence, a fair trial, innocent until proven guilty?
100%. What's the point of a trial if the judge ignores the outcome?
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Worse, apparantly he was proven innocent.
No, he wasn't. He was found not guilty. That's not the same as "proven innocent".
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... the result must be beyond reasonable doubt...
Yeah, funny, that. Would you prefer a conviction with considerable doubt? "I hereby accuse Sbrinz of every unsolved murder"... "You've got someone we can blame? Excellent! Guilty! String 'im up!"
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This is a good idea, if he makes any trouble with anyone in future, he knows he will go to jail for 5 years.
This is a truly ridiculous idea. "I hereby accuse Sbrinz of every unsolved murder"... "We've tried him and found him not guilty, based on reasonable doubt of his guilt. But I don't like the look of him, so string 'im up anyway!"
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Re: UK, potential rapist is controlled by pre nuptual (Friday thread??)

Bit of a cowardly edit there, Sbrinz.
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Old 03.06.2016, 07:42
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Re: UK, potential rapist is controlled by pre nuptual (Friday thread??)

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Bit of a cowardly edit there, Sbrinz.
What's the point of editing a post if the original is there in a quote anyway? I don't get it.


And as for the original topic I think it's totally ridiculous. Surely the police have better things to do than take notes on the sex life of somebody who 'might' be a potential rapist but who has never been convicted of anything? Things like catching real criminals who've actually committed a crime.

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Old 03.06.2016, 10:43
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Re: UK, potential rapist is controlled by pre nuptual (Friday thread??)

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Surely it's also a breach of privacy (?) for any potential partner of his? Is this a new "law"? The article doesn't say if it's for a set period of time, either. Presumably this can't be enforced forever.


Plus, actually, who would know?
The original order is from december, so probably was for half a year, extended now by another four months.

Just crazy. Minority Report anyone?
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Re: UK, potential rapist is controlled by pre nuptual (Friday thread??)

Sigh.

It's a civil order so there is no "beyond reasonable doubt" burden of proof. It has little or nothing to do with the fact that this individual was found not guilty of a specific crime. It's eminently possible that facts uncovered during the trial gave a judge cause for concern, while not providing the facts needed to find the person guilty of this specific crime with the high, criminal burden of proof of "beyond reasonable doubt". For a civil action the burden a proof is "on the balance of probability" and it might be possible that the presiding judge would have found him guilty under that burden.

In any case, the parameters of a Sexual Offence Prevention Order are found in law:

The test for imposing a SOPO in cases that have not charged a sexual offence "is it necessary to protect the public or any particular member of the public from serious sexual harm?". The judge, with all the facts at hand, believed it was.

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