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The new charging reality

Cafe in Austria charges you if you charge your electronic devices for too long.

"The days of charging your phone for free may be gone, at least in one cafe in Vienna.

Tired of clients plugging their devices for hours, cafe owner Galina Pokorny now charges €1 ($1.06; £0.85) for those who take too long charging.

"Tourists - always electricity, electricity, electricity. Sorry but who is going to pay me for it?" she said.

A recharge during a 15-minute coffee is still fine. More than that will add to the bill.

The fee applies also to laptops and tablets and it is multiplied by the number of devices being recharged.

"I run a cafe, not an internet cafe," she was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying.

"It's getting more and more extreme. People come and think everything is accessible and free... You don't even open your eyes in the morning for free."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38991163

Companies can't keep absorbing the cost so this will be the new reality for all you gadget fans.
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Old 16.02.2017, 19:21
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Viral marketing crap.

They could have just not provided power sockets everywhere.
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Old 16.02.2017, 19:30
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Re: The new charging reality

Sounds like a miserable cafe, great way to turn away business. And the costs of charging a phone are neglible.

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According to Forbes, charging an iPad every day for a year will require 12kWh of electricity per year, which will cost you a whopping $1.50. A smartphone with a 1,440 mAh battery will require 2,000-watt hours of energy per year or 2kWh ($0.25)
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Old 16.02.2017, 21:27
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And the costs of charging a phone are neglible.
I get the impression that these customers are having one cup of coffee but hanging around for ages, taking up tables, whilst their devices charge.

The costs due to lost business are hardly negligible.
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Old 16.02.2017, 21:46
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I get the impression that these customers are having one cup of coffee but hanging around for ages, taking up tables, whilst their devices charge.

The costs due to lost business are hardly negligible.
I agree. And what is it with this attitude that everything seems to have to be for free these days anyway?

@Castro << And the costs of charging a phone are neglible.>>
It is very interesting how people always decide, what costs others should accept as being neglible And it's not one phone, it's numerous a day.
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Old 16.02.2017, 22:01
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Exactly. So don't moan the next time you find the price of a cup of coffee has gone up.
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Old 16.02.2017, 22:08
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Exactly. So don't moan the next time you find the price of a cup of coffee has gone up.
Who? Me?
It doesn't cross my mind to charge a handy in a restaurant. I charge my handy while home or in the car and if the battery is down, I don't really care either
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Sounds like a miserable cafe, great way to turn away business. And the costs of charging a phone are neglible.
the same for a glass of water
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Old 16.02.2017, 23:03
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Who? Me?
It doesn't cross my mind to charge a handy in a restaurant. I charge my handy while home or in the car and if the battery is down, I don't really care either
No, Castro. But may still affect your cup of coffee because others do charge their stuff in cafes. I expect that, eventually, rather than charge individual customers for the electricity usage, the cost of a cuppa will simply go up for everyone. It's certainly easier than trying to keep an eye on which of your customers has stayed longer than 15 minutes charging devices.
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Do people really go to cafes to drink coffee?

The future lies in sofa rental: you pay for the time you spend in the cafe, coffee and refills included in the bill, food treated as an extra.

Nobody will care how long you sit there playing Candy Crush or writing your thesis as you'll be paying for the use of the sofa, nice and fair, like.

It will be a lot more transparent, nobody will feel rushed, electricity bills will be covered, everybody will be happy.

You read it here first, unless you read it somewhere else already.
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Old 17.02.2017, 01:25
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Re: The new charging reality

I imagine the café owner is tying to emulate Michael O'Leary's Rynair business model. Out of cost considerations, he banned his workers from charging their mobile phones in the office:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ansportintheuk
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Old 17.02.2017, 02:13
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Re: The new charging reality

That café is truly a misery. I just walked by it today. It's the very worst of tourist hell: a terrace in a tourist trap where there are so many visitors flowing through that the only thing the staff can do is lean on them to free up tables. They have no incentive to provide service, as they are not counting on repeat business.

A café mistreating tourists, how is this news?
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I imagine the café owner is tying to emulate Michael O'Leary's Rynair business model. Out of cost considerations, he banned his workers from charging their mobile phones in the office:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ansportintheuk
And he was turned around on most of his oddities and general attitude. You can't run a successful company like this, the trick is to hide the cost cutting so either people don't notice or people don't attribute it to you. When the publicity has died down someone will open a cafe next door with a big sign advertising free (green/solar?) device charging, and that'll the end of Grinch Coffee or whatever they're called.
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Do people really go to cafes to drink coffee?

The future lies in sofa rental: you pay for the time you spend in the cafe, coffee and refills included in the bill, food treated as an extra.

Nobody will care how long you sit there playing Candy Crush or writing your thesis as you'll be paying for the use of the sofa, nice and fair, like.

It will be a lot more transparent, nobody will feel rushed, electricity bills will be covered, everybody will be happy.

You read it here first, unless you read it somewhere else already.
Yes, this exists already and, shockingly, they haven't overturned Starbucks yet. Paying for one thing and getting another is as old as time, especially when a service is monetised through a product. That's why specialist shops still have value. And pharmacists.
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Old 17.02.2017, 10:21
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sounds like a miserable cafe, great way to turn away business. And the costs of charging a phone are neglible.

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according to forbes, charging an ipad every day for a year will require 12kwh of electricity per year, which will cost you a whopping $1.50. A smartphone with a 1,440 mah battery will require 2,000-watt hours of energy per year or 2kwh ($0.25)
That quote isn't telling the whole story - somebody's just plugged figures into a spreadsheet and come up with numbers that to be correct would require 100% charging efficiency. The truth is charging a phone, or any other device is far from 100% efficient.

Notice how your charger gets warm? well that's wasted energy that's being consumed but not going into the battery. Notice your phone or device is warm well that's also energy being consumed, but not making it into the battery.

Add to that most phone OS's utilise the "free" power when on charge to do background maintenance tasks which take power and are a contributory factor to the warming of the device.

So in reality you might want to double or triple those energy consumption figures.

Still not a lot of power I'll admit, but that back of a fag packet calculation is misleading.
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"The days of charging your phone for free may be gone, at least in one cafe in Vienna.
The world is coming to an end... It's Trump fault. There will be no more charging your phone on earth, no wait, in the entire universe, it is the beginning of the end, the apocalypse.

It's TRUE, start storing food in your nuclear bunker, the signs are here.
Humanity LISTEN! it's too late for saving earth but you can save yourself and your families.

We have facts, cafe schproutz, very popular, quoted on facebook and mentioned in at least 15 tweets is triggering doomsday. They started to charge for charging your phone... charging a charge is really overloading the SYSTEM, dangerously. The harm is done, regular customers from that village are filling themselves with hatred, there has been riots already, Fritz Wagner was seen frowning at the waitress.

Please, I beg you all, go protect yourselves in your nuclear bunkers for at least 20 years. It's the only way. The only way...

Do it now.

We need YOU to save us all, give people a survival chance.

PS: please do not go out until minimum 20 years, to ensure peace and survival, thanks.
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Old 17.02.2017, 10:51
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Sounds like a miserable cafe, great way to turn away business. And the costs of charging a phone are neglible.
True but the cost of having someone occupying a table nursing a coffee while the device charges is not free...
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Add to that most phone OS's utilise the "free" power when on charge to do background maintenance tasks which take power and are a contributory factor to the warming of the device.
I thinkt that's a double-count. Electricity consumed to perform tasks results in warmth heating up the device, which you mentioned/counted alrady.

With that said, the café provides a service it's free to charge or not charge for. If the additional charge is important enough customers will react by taking their business elsewhere.
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That quote isn't telling the whole story - somebody's just plugged figures into a spreadsheet and come up with numbers that to be correct would require 100% charging efficiency. The truth is charging a phone, or any other device is far from 100% efficient.

Notice how your charger gets warm? well that's wasted energy that's being consumed but not going into the battery. Notice your phone or device is warm well that's also energy being consumed, but not making it into the battery.

Add to that most phone OS's utilise the "free" power when on charge to do background maintenance tasks which take power and are a contributory factor to the warming of the device.

So in reality you might want to double or triple those energy consumption figures.

Still not a lot of power I'll admit, but that back of a fag packet calculation is misleading.
Warmth generated allows them to drop the thermostat. Zero sum.
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True but the cost of having someone occupying a table nursing a coffee while the device charges is not free...
What if they are reading a book or a newspaper? Would you charge them for the number of pages read?
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