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A lot of times, actually.
If there were problems, they surely didn't transpire in the media.
OK I myself have witnessed restaurants refusing to cater to larger Roma groups. Perhaps many restaurant owners view larger groups of Roma as opportunists and wouldn`t want to risk making losses?
And it`s possible that local media doesn`t report much on most theft of services. There is no shortage of worse stuff to report on unfortuantely.

To return to the topic, despite the gaps in the story, the Bembibre mass fleeing of the bill seems to be true, albeit the numbers of guests could have been inflated. Whoever posted this first, could have made clear it was developing news with still many details unresolved.. or waited to post till there was reliable info.
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Old 03.03.2017, 14:48
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Re: 120 Romanian diners leave restaurant without paying

Next time they should ask for the cars keys as guarantee. Btw..2000€ for 120 persons does not seem much, must have been a lousy party.
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Old 03.03.2017, 15:07
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OK I myself have witnessed restaurants refusing to cater to larger Roma groups.
I know an entire town that virtually closes down when the Roma arrive for the annual horse market. On the other hand, one company my ex husband worked for loved Roma business because they always bought the biggest, the best and paid cash.
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OK I myself have witnessed restaurants refusing to cater to larger Roma groups. Perhaps many restaurant owners view larger groups of Roma as opportunists and wouldn`t want to risk making losses?
Is that even legal? The last scandal I remember it was when a spa (actually, security staff) refused to let in a couple of families...it was all over media.
Yeah, well, sad.
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Old 03.03.2017, 15:16
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The Romanian diners, who had paid a deposit of €900 ($950; £770), left the El Carmen restaurant in Bembibre as dessert was due to be served, Antonio Rodriguez said.
I think it was a translation problem.

When the waiters announced "Desert!", that's what the diners promptly did.
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I know an entire town that virtually closes down when the Roma arrive for the annual horse market. On the other hand, one company my ex husband worked for loved Roma business because they always bought the biggest, the best and paid cash.
You mean the British travellers? Saw a documentary about them some time ago, I think they encounter the same mistrust (and sometimes blatant discrimination) as gypsies in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary etc.
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You mean the British travellers? Saw a documentary about them some time ago, I think they encounter the same mistrust (and sometimes blatant discrimination) as gypsies in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary etc.

You're all Eurotrash to us. (British, French, German,...)
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You're all Eurotrash to us. (British, French, German,...)
Who is "us"? Ah, sorry...checked your profile.

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Old 03.03.2017, 17:12
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You mean the British travellers? Saw a documentary about them some time ago, I think they encounter the same mistrust (and sometimes blatant discrimination) as gypsies in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary etc.
Yes, google them. Lots of stuff out there.
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Old 03.03.2017, 17:18
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Re: 120 Romanian diners leave restaurant without paying

British forum members of a certain age might remember Viz and its highly controversial take on travellers...
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Yes, google them. Lots of stuff out there.
Ha ha, no need to do that, I can imagine. I have to say though that I rather have sympathy for them as I have a sympathy for every marginalised group, despite knowing full well there might be reasons for that. But there's a vicious circle you know, I tried to understand these social problems and came to the the conclusion that the majority is always responsible, even if most people (back home and in other places) refuse to believe it.
Think of Spain: when they wanted to do something about this problem they did - it was like a national priority starting with the '70s.
It's not such a problem for the UK, for sure, just saying.

Back home I sponsor (well, too big a word, small donations nothing more) a charity who is trying to get children from impoverished families of Roma origins back in school/kindergarten etc. It's nothing, really, I should volunteer and spend time with them, I admire people who do that.
There is an excellent programme where the brightest graduates who want to become teachers spend a year in a Roma community, I think this is a great thing, too little and too late though. As I said, Spain is an example in this matter, it should have been one of the most important priorities long time ago. It's not exactly like in the UK, the Roma problem in Central/Eastern Europe has other nuances and social connotations.
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Next time they should ask for the cars keys as guarantee. Btw..2000€ for 120 persons does not seem much, must have been a lousy party.
I read it as the restaurant lost 2000.00, with the 900.00 paid that is actually a pretty decent party in a small town Spanish restaurant where a lunchtime menu of the day, 3 courses with wine, can cost less than 10 euros.
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Old 03.03.2017, 17:42
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Think of Spain: when they wanted to do something about this problem they did - it was like a national priority starting with the '70s.
Not sure what you're thinking of in Spain, but in my view the solution being pursied there is not smarter than that of other countries. Sure, they've pulled them out of big touristic cities where they used to pester tourists and moved them into shanty towns in the sticks. I remember the area around Madrid's Chamartin station to be a hotspot for their activities back in the late 80s for example. You won't see any there today. But just because they're less visible, this doesn't make them less of a problem.

Sure, many individuals have through their owns efforts managed to break out of the vicious circle and settled into normal jobs and often broken links with the mainstream Roma community and also moved away geographically. I've met several such individuals. They are normal working people, but also very critical of the "the others". And maybe some government programmes have made that transition easier for them. But these efforts are being offset by high birthrates among the poorer and more anitisocial parts of the community. So the problem is not going away.

Even Switzerland did in the past have problems with its travelling community, the Yenish (or Jenisch). You don't hear much about them today, but the community was largely broken by the government taking children away from parents and sticking them in foster families. An inhumane method whose repercussions are still ongoing today.
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Old 03.03.2017, 17:45
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You mean the British travellers? Saw a documentary about them some time ago, I think they encounter the same mistrust (and sometimes blatant discrimination) as gypsies in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary etc.
People are people, and there's good and bad in every group. You say British travellers, but there are Irish and Roma too.

When I was a kid, my dad and grandfather hated them because they were brought up with working horses and loved them. The Roma used to dump the old, sick and pregnant horses in a field near my grandfather's garage business. Personally, I never had a problem until I moved to a tiny village near Windsor in 2014. The stuff they did to the farm animals there was horrific, and you couldn't walk into the next village without people trying to grab your handbag off you or start a fight with you. That particular group were the primary reason that I slept with a chainsaw under the bed, because they deserved every bit of criticism thrown at them and more. The sad thing is, I would never have believed it if I hadn't experienced it for myself.
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People are people, and there's good and bad in every group. You say British travellers, but there are Irish and Roma too.

When I was a kid, my dad and grandfather hated them because they were brought up with working horses and loved them. The Roma used to dump the old, sick and pregnant horses in a field near my grandfather's garage business. Personally, I never had a problem until I moved to a tiny village near Windsor in 2014. The stuff they did to the farm animals there was horrific, and you couldn't walk into the next village without people trying to grab your handbag off you or start a fight with you. That particular group were the primary reason that I slept with a chainsaw under the bed, because they deserved every bit of criticism thrown at them and more. The sad thing is, I would never have believed it if I hadn't experienced it for myself.
I meant this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Travellers

I guess you referred to these groups for the time you were a child. In 2014... I am sure lots of Roma (the new pc word that confuses so many people, yeah) from Eastern Europe have come there after the '90s. My friends in Ireland have some gypsies from Slovakia as neighbours, not a good experience so far. They saw lots of gypsies beggars from Romania too, embarrassing. But those are not dangerous. What can I say, I come from a country with a numerous Roma minority, lots of problems due to poverty, lack of social integration/inclusion etc. and still never slept with a chainsaw under the bed out of fear of gypsies, then again some relatives from the country side have a much harsher opinion...understandable. Not to mention that I know many people who are racists (that's the word, trust me) and they see nothing wrong with that - it's still acceptable back home.

The party group was something new though, it took me by surprise..lol



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Not sure what you're thinking of in Spain, but in my view the solution being pursied there is not smarter than that of other countries. .
Then I'm naive, I guess.
From this point of view maybe you're right, what makes the difference (I believe) are the living standards and access to social services - education etc and little by little that could make a whole lot of more difference.

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Old 03.03.2017, 23:59
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I meant this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Travellers

I guess you referred to these groups for the time you were a child. In 2014... I am sure lots of Roma (the new pc word that confuses so many people, yeah) from Eastern Europe have come there after the '90s.
Not really. Even as a kid, I knew there were different tribes of travellers because there were occassional clashes between the Irish and Romanys. They tended to avoid each other, and some tribes came over to the UK after the pograms and WW2. It wasn't all post EU immigration. Just as an example, when I was 11, this was one of the BBC's biggest kid's tv series, based upon a popular children's book, and to this day, I still remember the name of the girl who played the lead character.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kizzy_(TV_series)

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What can I say, I come from a country with a numerous Roma minority, lots of problems due to poverty, lack of social integration etc. and still never slept with a chainsaw under the bed, then again some relatives from the country side have a much harsher opinion...understandable.
The particular group who caused trouble were I lived were Irish travellers. They moved into a farmer's field close to junction 14 of the M25 motorway, which was about 2 miles from my house and on my route to work. They hung the lambs from the trees and cut their throats.

A week later, our landlord phoned to say he'd had a visit from the police warning that there'd been a spate of burglaries in our village and the surrounding villages, and a several of the people had reported seeing a drone flying low in their garden the day before they were robbed. We'd already had drones in the garden a couple of times by then. A few days later, three young lads pulled up outside our house with a horse and trap, stood on the trap and tried to climb over our gates which were 7ft high. I was in the garden so they left as soon as they saw me. At the time, my OH was working 12hr night shifts at Heathrow, and I was pretty sure the sound of a chainsaw revving would scare away any chancers who thought I might be an easy target.
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Re: 120 Romanian diners leave restaurant without paying

"Roma" is different from Romanian.

Anyway, kudos for the 120 that fled the restaurant, should have been funny.
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You mean the British travellers? Saw a documentary about them some time ago, I think they encounter the same mistrust (and sometimes blatant discrimination) as gypsies in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary etc.
Is there any danger of you acknowledging that large bands of travellers tend to cause trouble in small communities? I lived in a village in Surrey for a few years. On 3 or 4 occasions in that period, we woke to find that one of the local fields had been occupied by a big group of travellers. Not sure if it was the same lot, but they caused havoc over the few days they were there. I was bitten by one of their nasty dogs running wild in the village, and they caused a lot of unpleasantness in the pubs, often refusing to leave.

When they did finally pack up and go, they left big piles of rubbish and debris strewn across the field.

As for Brits behaving badly while overseas... this has been a favourite theme for the UK press, never mind the locals, over many years. If 120 Brits conga-ed out of a restaurant in Spain and scarpered without paying, you're damn right it would have been all over the press -- and quite right too.
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Re: 120 Romanian diners leave restaurant without paying

Seems to be confirmation that they've done it before.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39184533
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Re: 120 Romanian diners leave restaurant without paying

Looks like they may have caught the ringleader.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39197565
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