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Misery Index - 2016

And there are still people on this forum insisting that many jobs are being lost in Switzerland...

In this ranking only Singapore and Thailand have lower unemployment rates.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...able-this-year
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Old 18.04.2017, 18:12
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Great ranking, let me wipe my ass with it.
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Old 18.04.2017, 18:34
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Great ranking, let me wipe my ass with it.
I'm sure that's printed on glossy paper. You won't like it.

If we could rely on all the other countries having fudged the figures as well as we have it might be worth a look?
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I doubt it. Although Bloomburgh is not as bad a Mercer, these stats are all conducted by some nimcompoo analyst who can't tell the head from his ass and is usually just following the guidelines of the idiot project manager, who's following the task imposed by the vice director. They most likely held 3-4 meetings about it...briefly introduced the outcome at the townhall meeting and now everybody is merry and swell. Blick will run the story in about 3 weeks or so...and yes, glossy paper works just fine.
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Re: Misery Index - 2016

What did they base their results on, each country's own stats? We all know that each country measures unemployment differently to others, hell I remember at one time in the UK under Blair the figures suddenly dropped, then I was informed that they no longer counted figures of people on YTS and government funded training and studies...all of who were still only on the brew!
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And there are still people on this forum insisting that many jobs are being lost in Switzerland... :rolleyes
Two things come to mind:

- People are self centred and if it is not going well for them then they assume it is the case for everyone

- Many of the people on the forum have a limited market to start with.
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Re: Misery Index - 2016

https://www.amstat.ch/v2/download.jsp?lang=de

Long term unemployment has increased for March, now 2 people are chasing each job.

Does that mean unemployment is increasing or decreasing?
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I doubt it. Although Bloomburgh is not as bad a Mercer, these stats are all conducted by some nimcompoo analyst who can't tell the head from his ass and is usually just following the guidelines of the idiot project manager, who's following the task imposed by the vice director. They most likely held 3-4 meetings about it...briefly introduced the outcome at the townhall meeting and now everybody is merry and swell. Blick will run the story in about 3 weeks or so...and yes, glossy paper works just fine.
Do you work with such studies and came up with something better?
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Do you work with such studies and came up with something better?
No and yes.
Do you take anything you read for face value or do yo actually put some thought into it?
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https://www.amstat.ch/v2/download.jsp?lang=de

Long term unemployment has increased for March, now 2 people are chasing each job.

Does that mean unemployment is increasing or decreasing?
Where did you read that? From the summary it says it went from 3.6% in February to 3.4% in March. In March 2016 it was 3.5%, so I don't understand how you come to conclude that long term unemployment has increased.
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What did they base their results on, each country's own stats? We all know that each country measures unemployment differently to others, hell I remember at one time in the UK under Blair the figures suddenly dropped, then I was informed that they no longer counted figures of people on YTS and government funded training and studies...all of who were still only on the brew!
You are correct. However, the point is that unemployment in Switzerland is not going up as many have said in this forum.
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You are correct. However, the point is that unemployment in Switzerland is not going up as many have said in this forum.
How about permanent unemployment? People who don't qualify for RAV or have exceeded their allocated time? How about people receiving social assistance? Are those figures rising or do they remain constant, because the Swiss unemployment stats only include people who are actually registered at RAV.
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How about permanent unemployment? People who don't qualify for RAV or have exceeded their allocated time? How about people receiving social assistance? Are those figures rising or do they remain constant, because the Swiss unemployment stats only include people who are actually registered at RAV.
This. And they are rising. Constantly.
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And there are still people on this forum insisting that many jobs are being lost in Switzerland...

In this ranking only Singapore and Thailand have lower unemployment rates.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...able-this-year
1) "On this forum" means usually expats (for most of them) and they most likely not appear on stats for long (going away, not registering to RAV, or even being kindly moved out of official statistics if/when the ORP agent is getting rid of you).

2) It's not showing well evolution, if you want to measure "jobs being losts" vs "current state of unemployment".

3) It's not very accurate either, mixing all type of jobs, maybe there's 100's jobs created by Migros while 100's qualified jobs are being shuffed.

4) In my experiences it's definitely a reality, many many jobs in IT and IT engineering are being moved since many years (India, Spain...).
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Where did you read that? From the summary it says it went from 3.6% in February to 3.4% in March. In March 2016 it was 3.5%, so I don't understand how you come to conclude that long term unemployment has increased.
A summary is not the whole truth is it?

That link is from the unemployment office, it shows statistics for all unemployment, not just those receiving unemployment benefits.

You only have to study the link contents, and observe a red arrow pointing upwards, that shows long term rate of unemployment from March 2016 to March 2017 has increased by 3.6%

If you study the number of job seekers and the number of jobs available, you can see there are 2 people available for every vacancy.

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How about permanent unemployment? People who don't qualify for RAV or have exceeded their allocated time? How about people receiving social assistance? Are those figures rising or do they remain constant, because the Swiss unemployment stats only include people who are actually registered at RAV.
You have made good points, we can come up with an array of criteria to measure it. We can argue that real unemployment rate is probably higher than this official figure. However, if unemployment was indeed growing as many like to perpetuate on this forum, the number of people on RAV would grow and thus the published unemployment rate.
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However, if unemployment was indeed growing as many like to perpetuate on this forum, the number of people on RAV would grow and thus the published unemployment rate.
Not if an equal amount of people go on social assistance and no longer show up in the RAV numbers?
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A summary is not the whole truth is it?

That link is from the unemployment office, it shows statistics for all unemployment, not just those receiving unemployment benefits.

You only have to study the link contents, and observe a red arrow pointing upwards, that shows long term rate of unemployment from March 2016 to March 2017 has increased by 3.6%

If you study the number of job seekers and the number of jobs available, you can see there are 2 people available for every vacancy.
Ok, now I get what you are trying to say. I thought you were talking about long term unemployment forecast. Still the data is not refuting that the unemployment is not going up, on the contrary.

You are picking the rate of people who are in "long term unemployment", which went up 270 people from March 2016 to March 2017. However, the total people in this subgroup is 217248, so a negligible increase. Also, note that from February 2017 to March 2017 there are 501 less people in this group.

Regardless of what specific group we might nitpick, all data available about unemployment clearly shows that unemployment in CH is not growing.
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1) "On this forum" means usually expats (for most of them) and they most likely not appear on stats for long (going away, not registering to RAV, or even being kindly moved out of official statistics if/when the ORP agent is getting rid of you).

2) It's not showing well evolution, if you want to measure "jobs being losts" vs "current state of unemployment".

3) It's not very accurate either, mixing all type of jobs, maybe there's 100's jobs created by Migros while 100's qualified jobs are being shuffed.

4) In my experiences it's definitely a reality, many many jobs in IT and IT engineering are being moved since many years (India, Spain...).
Sbrinz has posted the link with the official detailed statistics.

1) I don't see why most of the expats would not register on RAV.

2) I didn't understand your point.

3) Look at the detailed statistics. There are less unemployed people in IT in March 2017 than it was 2016.

4) It is a fact that many IT operational jobs are moving abroad. What about the IT jobs being created by Google, startups, etc.?
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Not if an equal amount of people go on social assistance and no longer show up in the RAV numbers?
Are the social assistance numbers growing as well?
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