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Old 08.09.2017, 08:50
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AI apparently has "gaydar" ability

According to this article, new AI can guess whether you're gay or straight from a photograph. Wondering whether that also works with EF avatar here
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Re: AI apparently has "gaydar" ability

Is there going to be an 'app' for this so that I can check when unsure?
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Old 08.09.2017, 09:22
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Is there going to be an 'app' for this so that I can check when unsure?
Ummm, how can you be unsure of your own sexuality, and how would software help you, were that to be the case?
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Ummm, how can you be unsure of your own sexuality, and how would software help you, were that to be the case?
It was meant ironically.
But it was not for checking just my own, but also that of others.
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Old 08.09.2017, 09:31
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Re: AI apparently has "gaydar" ability

I once had a mood ring that could changed colours according to the mood I was in. Popularity of this ring waned fast since no one really understood it, relied on it nor saw the significance in it.
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Old 08.09.2017, 10:46
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Re: AI apparently has "gaydar" ability

I love this one:
<<“We should all be collectively concerned.” >>
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I love this one:
<<“We should all be collectively concerned.” >>
I read it more as potentially a tool used by dinosaur-era recruiters who want to weed out anyone who "looks a bit gay" from their recruitment process, which is a bit concerning.
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Old 08.09.2017, 11:21
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I read it more as potentially a tool used by dinosaur-era recruiters who want to weed out anyone who "looks a bit gay" from their recruitment process, which is a bit concerning.
Not to mention the trend in the media (and some software developer circles) to redefine some task so that they can claim that AI can master it.

Moral issues aside, humans probably don't do a particularly good job at identifying people's sexual preferences based on facial expression in a small selection of photos. Perhaps this is because we process more than 35K faces, perhaps it's because most of the time we're doing other stuff, perhaps it's because most of the time we're aware that some faces sexual preferences haven't got the slightest implications for our current needs, perhaps it's because some of us don't buy into the presumption that homosexuality is a predestination that manifests itself genetically and exhibits itself eidetically in appearance.

But if you buy into the idea that the world is revealed in a glance, then sure... this will make sense to you.

To me, it's more likely that the CEO of a facial recognition company has a vested interest in wanting us to believe that facial recognition is a doddle:
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Not to mention the trend in the media (and some software developer circles) to redefine some task so that they can claim that AI can master it.
Maybe, but not in this case. The aim was to correctly guess the self-declared sexual orientation.

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Perhaps it's because some of us don't buy into the presumption that homosexuality is a predestination that manifests itself genetically and exhibits itself eidetically in appearance.
There is no assumption in this study to "buy into". It is a scientific test of the hypothesis that faces can be used to predict self-declared sexual orientation.
Result: a lot of the time the prediction is reliable, which does nothing to prove that there is a genetic basis for homosexuality, but it does provide evidence for the hypothesis.

I was interested to read that they used open source software (VGG face) so you don't have to be a Google researcher to do this kind of study. So, yes, political orientation from EF avatars is go!
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Old 08.09.2017, 11:54
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Re: AI apparently has "gaydar" ability

AI, fine, but what about the other cantons?

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I was interested to read that they used open source software (VGG face) so you don't have to be a Google researcher to do this kind of study. So, yes, political orientation from EF avatars is go!
Ok, send the CEO of the face recognition firm my avatar from here, and ask him to have his software guess my sexual orientation.
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Re: AI apparently has "gaydar" ability

On a similar line, there was an article in one of the UK newspapers not so long ago where sets of two photos of faces of people were shown where one of each of the two people was a psychopathic murderer or otherwise criminal and the other was not.
People managed to choose who was the criminal in each set with remarkable accuracy.

It probably wouldn't be difficult to use AI to achieve the same.
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Old 08.09.2017, 12:21
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Re: AI apparently has "gaydar" ability

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Me too.

Or also a new cause for bullying at school etc.

I don't at all like this idea.
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AI, fine, but what about the other cantons?

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