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Re: Is 120 000 Euros enough to live on in Germany?

A goverment employee?
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Old 30.10.2017, 21:22
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Re: Is 120 000 Euros enough to live on in Germany?

OK, looking for another link.
By the way, not all teachers will have that "Beamtenstatus" though

https://www.lehrerfreund.de/schule/1...er-gehalt/3707

Scroll down a bit for an overview in the Bundesländer, not the latest overview but it gives an idea
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Old 30.10.2017, 21:24
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OK, looking for another link.
By the way, not all teachers will have that "Beamtenstatus" though
Is it a tenure?

Or here - an indefinite/definite contract?
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Old 30.10.2017, 21:29
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OK, looking for another link.
By the way, not all teachers will have that "Beamtenstatus" though

https://www.lehrerfreund.de/schule/1...er-gehalt/3707

Scroll down a bit for an overview in the Bundesländer, not the latest overview but it gives an idea
Yes dear, I posted that map in this post. LOL, all well with you roegner? A bit confused? Who is he?
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Re: Is 120 000 Euros enough to live on in Germany?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter
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Old 30.10.2017, 21:30
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Is it a tenure?

Or here - an indefinite/definite contract?
fonctionnaire titulaire?
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Old 30.10.2017, 21:33
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Yes dear, I posted that map in this post. LOL, all well with you roegner? A bit confused? Who is he?
No, watching an old series on telly and distracted by that so missed checking your link Curley.

By the way, your package has arrived
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Old 30.10.2017, 21:42
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and I hear it's quite difficult to buy Aromat in Germany, not to mention Züri Säcke. You'd better stock up before you move.
And don't even get started on Godminster (although I do hmm hmm hear, that it is available in the Netherlands )
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Old 30.10.2017, 21:54
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A goverment employee?
It's more than that. Not all government employees are Beamten, but they all want to become one. Being a Beamte is something you have to work hard for and prove yourself. And then when finally you've jumped through all the hoops you get a swearing in ceremony. You actually get to swear on the constiution. And after that you cannot be fired and you are put into a special pension category that you don't need to pay into because the government pays it for you. There is even a law called Beamtenbeleidigung that says that it is an offense for antbody to speak badly of you or to offend you. Typically they get fined if you report them for it but in extreme cases people can even do prison time. It was all invented by Bismark I understand.

Seeing Germans don't otherwise care much for pomp or tradition (in contrast to the Austrians, who thrive on it) it's quite interesting that this institution still exists.

Of course in this modern age of cost cutting, many regions are trying to reduce the number of Beamten and they are doing this by raising the bar and limiting the number of new Beamten they are creating.
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Re: Is 120 000 Euros enough to live on in Germany?

Wow..so it is like a medal. Bismarck had that part right, it is an incetive. Society functioning on handouts never works. People being motivated by this kind of tribute and rewards, it is quite noble. It looks solid, keeps credentials corruption-proof.
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No, watching an old series on telly and distracted by that so missed checking your link Curley.

By the way, your package has arrived
Goody Maybe we can combine it with the glass-project.

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Wow..so it is like a medal. Bismarck had that part right, it is an incetive. Society functioning on handouts never works. People being motivated by this kind of tribute and rewards, it is quite noble. It looks solid, keeps credentials corruption-proof.
It always sounded more like a trap to me. Not something I would ever have aimed for.
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Wow..so it is like a medal. Bismarck had that part right, it is an incetive. Society functioning on handouts never works. People being motivated by this kind of tribute and rewards, it is quite noble. It looks solid, keeps credentials corruption-proof.
Somebody has to pay for this privileged caste. It was the first thing a Swiss colleague mentioned when I wondered about the tax difference between CH and DE :-)
Until the mid-nineties all the German state railways employees had this status.
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Somebody has to pay for this privileged caste. It was the first thing a Swiss colleague mentioned when I wondered about the tax difference between CH and DE :-)
Until the mid-nineties all the German state railways employees had this status.
Probably those who never have the luxury of having a secure working place and work their buts off like crazy in the free market. Those who also have to be up to date and uber-efficent at whatever they do because there's always somebody else who could that job (much) better (and probably cheaper).
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Re: Is 120 000 Euros enough to live on in Germany?

That moment when you realised you should've voted remain
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Re: Is 120 000 Euros enough to live on in Germany?

For Germany:

https://www.gehalt.de

Please be aware this just a reference, and not always a good indicative.

Let's just say that if 1 architect earns 1 million euros per month because he builds for Mr. Fancy Pants, the salary medium is put off course by a lot for the meagre architects that build for poor Swiss...
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Wow..so it is like a medal. Bismarck had that part right, it is an incetive. Society functioning on handouts never works. People being motivated by this kind of tribute and rewards, it is quite noble. It looks solid, keeps credentials corruption-proof.
Under Bismarck's tenure Germany was still a monarchy. He introduced the public pension system btw, as well as mandatory health and accident insurance.

In short, socialist crap and handouts that never work.
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Old 31.10.2017, 15:17
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Under Bismarck's tenure Germany was still a monarchy. He introduced the public pension system btw, as well as mandatory health and accident insurance.

In short, socialist crap and handouts that never work.
It's a bit of a stretch to call Bismark a socialist.

I agree that on the whole when you mix capitalism and socialism you tend to end up with the ugliest of both systems, but Germany does seem to be an exception to the rule and has done extremely well
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It's a bit of a stretch to call Bismark a socialist.

I agree that on the whole when you mix capitalism and socialism you tend to end up with the ugliest of both systems, but Germany does seem to be an exception to the rule and has done extremely well
He was not a real socialist, and his motives were different from what socialists mostly want to achieve, but he introduced mandatory pension, workers protection acts, health insurance, accident insurance among other things like supporting labour unions, ban on child labour and such.
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It's a bit of a stretch to call Bismark a socialist.
Where do I do that?

Btw socialism as it was introduced a century ago and its usage in modern (US?) English have little in common.
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I agree that on the whole when you mix capitalism and socialism you tend to end up with the ugliest of both systems, but Germany does seem to be an exception to the rule and has done extremely well
People got so used to that mixture they don't even recognise it any more for what it is. Take a look around you.
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