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Old 18.07.2018, 12:05
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don't think most of his supporters can read
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Old 23.07.2018, 02:08
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

This just in from the WSJ:


Tesla Asks Suppliers for Cash Back to Help Turn a Profit
Tesla has asked some suppliers to refund a portion of what the electric-car company has spent previously, an appeal that reflects the auto maker’s urgency to sustain operations during a critical production period.

The Silicon Valley electric-car company said it is asking its suppliers for cash back to help it become profitable, according to a memo reviewed by The Wall Street Journal that was sent to a supplier last week. Tesla requested the supplier return what it calls a meaningful amount of money of its payments since 2016, according to the memo.

Doesn't look good for Elon nor Tesla for that matter....
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Old 23.07.2018, 06:56
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I've said it before, I really have no idea why anyone uses twitter, especially the rich and famous, its bad news, it can only bite you on the arse, impulse posting on the internet is very very stupid and in quite a few cases career ending. sorry Elon, you need to be sued and hopefully learn an expensive lesson.
Oh yes, they should make anonymous accounts on some forums and write shite under cover. It's an infailible way to determine whether he's an insecure dick or not.....lol, EFers of all people! I wonder how many careers would end here had it been a forum with real names.....;-)

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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

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You realize how pathetic this is given what he has achieved in his life vs. what you have right?

I have shorted Tesla already 18 months ago and still persevered because I knew I was right, but that doesn't mean he's not one of the absolutely most amazing and impactful figures of our times. Such larger-than-life figures come with equally big downsides. He's absolutely impressive, still
He has no real talent.
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Old 23.07.2018, 07:40
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He has no real talent.
Never have I seen a more ironic post.
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Old 23.07.2018, 09:16
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This just in from the WSJ:


Tesla Asks Suppliers for Cash Back to Help Turn a Profit
Tesla has asked some suppliers to refund a portion of what the electric-car company has spent previously, an appeal that reflects the auto maker’s urgency to sustain operations during a critical production period.

The Silicon Valley electric-car company said it is asking its suppliers for cash back to help it become profitable, according to a memo reviewed by The Wall Street Journal that was sent to a supplier last week. Tesla requested the supplier return what it calls a meaningful amount of money of its payments since 2016, according to the memo.

Doesn't look good for Elon nor Tesla for that matter....
which is all totally standard practice in just about all manufacturing companies and just about all others companies, maybe read up on what companies like tesco demand from their suppliers.
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which is all totally standard practice in just about all manufacturing companies and just about all others companies, maybe read up on what companies like tesco demand from their suppliers.
Can you find us one other example of this behaviour?

It is all but standard to ask for money back for already paid for and delivered materials.
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Old 23.07.2018, 10:26
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

you can't google??


https://www.google.ch/search?q=tesco...hrome&ie=UTF-8

you can replace tesco with just about any company
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Old 23.07.2018, 10:36
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you can't google??


https://www.google.ch/search?q=tesco...hrome&ie=UTF-8

you can replace tesco with just about any company
you can't read?

Tesco has contracts where suppliers agree to lower the price retrospectively if a certain amount has been sold, or promotional support and yes that is normal. Supermarkets demands lower prices for future, also all normal.

In the situation of Tesla, Tesla is asking for money back on old contracts where there never was such an agreement to begin with and where sales are all but higher than beforehand agreed upon, and that is extremely rare regardless of with what you want to compare it. Normal would be Tesla paying more since they fail to build the amount of cars they promise and thus unless they stock everything need less instead of more products from their suppliers.
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Old 23.07.2018, 10:47
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

which is absolutely standard practice, read some more!! My father in laws whole career has been this, for a multinational company, sure the suppliers have the option not to pay, but guess what happens to them come renewal time.

Don't want to derail the thread with supermarket practices but its well documented they literally bankrupt suppliers once they have signed up.

Lots of Telsa's 'bad press' is total BS, just look at the recent 'scandal' with the employee leaks on how much wastage they had, when in fact it was in line or lower then industry norms. Bare in mind how much money all the other car manufactures spend on advertising and lobbying, and how much tesla spend, and how many of their competitors would love to see the company fail.
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Old 23.07.2018, 10:54
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which is absolutely standard practice, read some more!! My father in laws whole career has been this, for a multinational company, sure the suppliers have the option not to pay, but guess what happens to them come renewal time.

Don't want to derail the thread with supermarket practices but its well documented they literally bankrupt suppliers once they have signed up.

Lots of Telsa's 'bad press' is total BS, just look at the recent 'scandal' with the employee leaks on how much wastage they had, when in fact it was in line or lower then industry norms. Bare in mind how much money all the other car manufactures spend on advertising and lobbying, and how much tesla spend, and how many of their competitors would love to see the company fail.
You choose to deliberately not see the differences in the situations and still have failed to come up with even one other example of this exact behaviour.

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Old 23.07.2018, 11:03
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

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You choose to deliberately not see the differences in the situations and still have failed to come up with even one other example of this exact behaviour.

no, I fail to see why its a story, it happens day in day out, I've seen it happen, as I said my FIL whole career has been spent negotiating 'rebates' long after contracts where signed. Now all teslas suppliers have the option not to pay, and that will be fine, but I guess they won't be suppliers anymore. I guess tesla only have a few items that are unique, everything else will have lots of companies willing and able to deal with them, as they produce more cars and need more parts their hand becomes stronger, the suppliers become weaker.
So the supplier have a choice, pay up and continue, or cut and run. Musk said months ago the supplier situation was out of hand with thousands of them and he wanted to cut down, what better way to do it?
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Old 23.07.2018, 11:14
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no, I fail to see why its a story, it happens day in day out, I've seen it happen, as I said my FIL whole career has been spent negotiating 'rebates' long after contracts where signed. Now all teslas suppliers have the option not to pay, and that will be fine, but I guess they won't be suppliers anymore. I guess tesla only have a few items that are unique, everything else will have lots of companies willing and able to deal with them, as they produce more cars and need more parts their hand becomes stronger, the suppliers become weaker.
So the supplier have a choice, pay up and continue, or cut and run. Musk said months ago the supplier situation was out of hand with thousands of them and he wanted to cut down, what better way to do it?
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It is all but standard practice to ask for money back on already paid for works done 2 years ago.
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Old 23.07.2018, 11:24
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

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It is all but standard practice to ask for money back on already paid for works done 2 years ago.
if you want to carry on being a supplier - yes.
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

He's at it again.

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Musk was responding to another critic on Twitter on Tuesday night when he appeared to reaffirm the accusation. “You don’t think it’s strange [Unsworth] hasn’t sued me? He was offered free legal services,” he wrote.

“Did you investigate at all? I’m guessing answer is no. Why?” he wrote in subsequent tweets that are still online.
Give it up fella, and get on with yer adulting...
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

And so it continues....

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...buzzfeed-email

Unless he somehow has solid proof Musk is completely of the track, if he keeps on going like this Investors will demand action from the company towards Musk.
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Old 05.09.2018, 13:25
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...buzzfeed-email

Unless he somehow has solid proof Musk is completely of the track, if he keeps on going like this Investors will demand action from the company towards Musk.
In a quasi-normal scenario maybe yes.
But a lot of investors, especially retail ones, are in TSLA because of Musk.

The fanboyism is easily above Apple's
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In a quasi-normal scenario maybe yes.
But a lot of investors, especially retail ones, are in TSLA because of Musk.

The fanboyism is easily above Apple's
All true, but Apple has numbers to back it all up and to keep stock owners satisfied, Tesla only has "Let's believe that one day it will be better" the moment people start to think that Musk is not the man to provide such future he might fall hard.

Also Apple is not in need of Investors they have their own money, Tesla is fully depending on investors and if investors would back out the factory might have to close doors in a matter of weeks.

The only comparison between the two factories would be that both had a very charismatic leader who achieved strong believe from the crowd. Apple managed to survive more than well without Jobs, Tesla with the current numbers might plummet like hell if Musk is down (which to me is the only reason he is not taken down yet, every church needs its god.)
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Old 05.09.2018, 14:19
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

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All true, but Apple has numbers to back it all up and to keep stock owners satisfied, Tesla only has "Let's believe that one day it will be better" the moment people start to think that Musk is not the man to provide such future he might fall hard.
This is exactly the think-positive happy group kumbaya optimism on which vast swathes of Silicon Valley survived through the 1990s and early 2000s.

People didn't invest in those companies because of what they could see on the balance sheet but because of what they believed was going to happen in the future.

Some people lost a lot of money on that bet and others won.

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The only comparison between the two factories would be that both had a very charismatic leader who achieved strong believe from the crowd. Apple managed to survive more than well without Jobs, Tesla with the current numbers might plummet like hell if Musk is down (which to me is the only reason he is not taken down yet, every church needs its god.)
When Jobs left Apple the first time, things continued to go well for several years but the momentum slowly ran out. Apple tried to overcome that by trying to tranform into a "normal" company but failed dysmally. Then Jobs came back. Unfortunately he can't come back if it happens a second time.
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

It's actually quite surprising anybody feels the need to ask the question !
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