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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

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When Jobs left Apple the first time, things continued to go well for several years but the momentum slowly ran out. Apple tried to overcome that by trying to tranform into a "normal" company but failed dysmally. Then Jobs came back. Unfortunately he can't come back if it happens a second time.
I think it's already happening. Products not exactly innovative or unique any more.
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Old 05.09.2018, 15:47
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

Leaving aside the pedo and child rapist comments, which are over the line, this article makes for a good read. It is definitely more researched than most full official news sources...

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full...-rescue-effort

The TLR version is that Elon was asked for help, repeatedly. When he agreed to help, he asked (repeatedly) if he was going in the right direction with the submarine idea, and flew out, at his expense, engineers and specialists to test it. They were repeatedly asked to continue working on it.

After the rescue, the British diver insulted Elon, who retaliated in one of the least acceptable ways possible...
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Leaving aside the pedo and child rapist comments, which are over the line, this article makes for a good read. It is definitely more researched than most full official news sources...

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full...-rescue-effort

The TLR version is that Elon was asked for help, repeatedly. When he agreed to help, he asked (repeatedly) if he was going in the right direction with the submarine idea, and flew out, at his expense, engineers and specialists to test it. They were repeatedly asked to continue working on it.

After the rescue, the British diver insulted Elon, who retaliated in one of the least acceptable ways possible...
Wow! If he'd just kept his mouth shut after the British caver ridiculed his sub and suggested he shoved it where the sun don't shine, Musk would have come out of it looking rightly aggrieved and smelling of roses.

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Old 05.09.2018, 16:27
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After the rescue, the British diver insulted Elon, who retaliated in one of the least acceptable ways possible...
The British diver was on the scene, very early, and trying to save lives. Being a diver, he may well have faced similar tasks in the past. He was probably routinely forced to spend time dealing with "input" from any number of overly excited people who (however well intentioned) were either clueless, or not there. This is frustrating and counter productive.

Musk wasn't there. He was just spending money.

I'm sure the diver had no problem dealing with Musk's technical people on the scene, but some wanker sending tweets from the far side of the earth, turning it into a publicity stunt... would try the patience of Job.
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Old 05.09.2018, 16:30
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The British diver was on the scene, very early, and trying to save lives. Being a diver, he may well have faced similar tasks in the past. He was probably routinely forced to spend time dealing with "input" from any number of overly excited people who (however well intentioned) were either clueless, or not there. This is frustrating and counter productive.

Musk wasn't there. He was just spending money.

I'm sure the diver had no problem dealing with Musk's technical people on the scene, but some wanker sending tweets from the far side of the earth, turning it into a publicity stunt... would try the patience of Job.
Elon was there, he flew out. Also worth noting that the Thai government asked for Elon's support, as did the Richard Stanton (email evidence in the link).

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Leaving aside the pedo and child rapist comments, which are over the line, this article makes for a good read. It is definitely more researched than most full official news sources...

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-full...-rescue-effort

The TLR version is that Elon was asked for help, repeatedly. When he agreed to help, he asked (repeatedly) if he was going in the right direction with the submarine idea, and flew out, at his expense, engineers and specialists to test it. They were repeatedly asked to continue working on it.

After the rescue, the British diver insulted Elon, who retaliated in one of the least acceptable ways possible...
Mind who asked him for help, those were normal not involved people like you and me and not people from the rescue team. The rescue team told him upfront that his plan with which he approached them was useless still he kept on going with his plan and boasting about it in the media, but not alone such he also started attacking the people actually involved in the rescuing for not agreeing with him.

He is a huge asshole no more, no less.
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Old 05.09.2018, 16:36
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

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Mind who asked him for help, those were normal not involved people like you and me and not people from the rescue team. The rescue team told him upfront that his plan with which he approached them was useless still he kept on going with his plan and boasting about it in the media, but not alone such he also started attacking the people actually involved in the rescuing for not agreeing with him.

He is a huge asshole no more, no less.
While I don't disagree with the sentiment about Elon, especially following his response/comments to the rescuers...

The person who he corresponded with was Richard "Dick" Stanton - cave diver, firefighter and one of the people actually involved in the rescue. See email chain above
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Elon was there, he flew out. Also worth noting that the Thai government asked for Elon's support, as did the Richard Stanton (email evidence in the link).
They did not ask for his help, he approached them, and surely they will not decline at first, but when became clear that his plan was useless Elon was to proud to just walk away but instead started pushing his plan in the media and openly attacking those who told that it was useless.
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Old 05.09.2018, 16:39
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

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They did not ask for his help, he approached them, and surely they will not decline at first, but when became clear that his plan was useless Elon was to proud to just walk away but instead started pushing his plan in the media and openly attacking those who told that it was useless.
Open the link - you'll see that the Thai government and Richard Stanton asked for help. Repeatedly.

Elon's first comment was :

I suspect that the Thai govt has this under control, but Iím happy to help if there is a way to do so
ó Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 4, 2018

Only after he was (publicly and privately) asked for help, did he get involved.

Still doesn't take away that his response after the whole incident show he's a douche.
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Old 05.09.2018, 16:45
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Elon was there, he flew out. Also worth noting that the Thai government asked for Elon's support, as did the Richard Stanton (email evidence in the link).
As I understand it, the diver was there earlier, knew the cave, and had already developed a plan.

By all means, if someone comes up with a viable alternative once a plan has already been put in place, but only if:

a) The alternative does not mean taking resources away from the current effort.
b) There is some clear technical merit to the alternative plan.

Ever been on the scene of an emergency? It's really, really, really hard to concentrate when you're surrounded by people waving their arms about, providing "input" etc.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that Musk tried. His sub may well even have worked. But that's no reason for him to be an insecure dick about it.
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Old 05.09.2018, 16:50
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

what it really shows is musk REALLY needs to delete his twitter account, actually all his social media accounts, and just get on with running his companies without worrying about what a random person on the other side of the world is saying about him - really, why does a multi billionaire give a toss what someone types about him???
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Old 05.09.2018, 16:57
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After the rescue, the British diver insulted Elon, who retaliated in one of the least acceptable ways possible...
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The British diver was on the scene, very early, and trying to save lives. Being a diver, he may well have faced similar tasks in the past. He was probably routinely forced to spend time dealing with "input" from any number of overly excited people who (however well intentioned) were either clueless, or not there. This is frustrating and counter productive.
Vernon Unsworth wasn't a diver, he was a caver. He didn't go cave diving.

There are quite a few differences.
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Vernon Unsworth wasn't a diver, he was a caver. He didn't go cave diving.

There are quite a few differences.
To be fair, I don't suppose either a caver or a diver like being called a child rapist or paedo on social media, which is probably the salient detail on this thread.

Wouldn't matter if he was a baker or an astronaut for that matter.
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

Looking beyond his recent unfortunate escapade... I read his biography, I recommend it. My two cents:

He's definitely an egomaniac and a dick. Doesn't care much about his employees. I'm glad he has a fascination with space and alternative energy, but it's not the humanitarian impact of addressing fossil fuels that caught his fancy. He has an insatiable drive to push the boundaries of what's possible and to personally win. It's the fame of what leading a Mars-mission or an electric-car revolution would grant him that he desires first and foremost (i.e. to be "a Rockefeller"). Which is fine by me... but we should see him as an ambitious entrepreneur who wants to put himself first, not as some sort of do-gooder out to save the world.
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what it really shows is musk REALLY needs to delete his twitter account, actually all his social media accounts, and just get on with running his companies without worrying about what a random person on the other side of the world is saying about him - really, why does a multi billionaire give a toss what someone types about him???
This.
(A thanks would have done the job but .... )
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

As predicted, Tessla and Elon specifically, are up a creek without a paddle. To reference the original title in this thread, "Is Elon an insecure d*ck?" - well, who the heck knows if he is insecure but he is certainly a moron. See links below:

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-live-web-show

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/tesl...t-a-month.html

This company and this idiot CEO, are seemingly finished unless they (The Board) fire Elon, get more financing (if at all possible) and try and salvage what they can. In short a PR disaster on all levels!
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Two executives leave.

"Tesla shares have fallen sharply after two senior executives abruptly left the electric car firm headed by Elon Musk.

The chief accounting officer has left less than a month after joining, while its HR officer is also reported to have resigned a year after joining.

The resignations came just hours after the firm's controversial chief executive Mr Musk smoked marijuana live on the web during a podcast with comedian Joe Rogan.

Shares fell over 10% in early US trade."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45449417
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Did you read my post above?
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No, because they're busy trying to either make me support the Guardian or complaining because I use an adblocker.
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Re: Is Elon Musk an insecure d*ck?

TSLA must be a trader's wish come true, the shares keep bouncing in its $260-350 range.
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