You and Clocker have not made up yet? I thought there was a love story in the making. I am disappointed.

Makes it personal - CHECK
Plays victim - CHECK
Completely misses the point - CHECK

p.s. it took me all of 3 seconds to dig out that post

Which was in reply to another topic entirely.

A whine? Is that's your go to riposte at the moment when you can't think of anything worthwhile saying?

I opened this thread as per forum etiquette to carry on a discussion without dragging the other thread off-topic. Feel free to contribute if you have something worth saying.

I'm curious why do you want to compare those two because (IMO) they are from different "movies"... so to speak. :-)

Yet if you are "challenging" somebody you get "called up on it". Called names, troll, etc etc.

Think-police "challenge" and "call people up on their opinions". Why can't we just share opinions without some folks feeling more privileged to disregard the rights of others to have different opinions. Because apparently some opinions are worthier than others?

They aren't.

Yes, you can indeed start a thread to talk about revisionism, or whatever. People will follow you here, obviously. Fan club.

With or without revision, looks to me like Cecil was a businessman of his times, with no scrupules.

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Because it perfectly illustrates the incongruity of denouncing an Empire builder whilst supporting a dictator, the only reason for which I can see is down to western white guilt. Or do you see it otherwise?

No, I don't see it as a western white guilt at all. As far as I knew a lot of people in the West (particularly in France) used to regard communism as something desirable. Many people had this sort of sympathies, obviously knowing shit about how it was like to actually live the "dream". And these things have perpetuated and they didn't cease at Castro's death. Many people in the West (used to) think that communism is such a good idea, it was only put in practice by some barbaric peoples and that's why it didn't succeed. Evidently, still knowing shit about those peoples.


With some exceptions or instances, I, for one, like to engage with as different people as you can get. Sometimes I am ridiculously polite here. I don't think I have been impolite or unkind to you, Loz. Please, tell MC you are a big boy and can find your corner so to speak....whatever that is.:-)

So if I understand what you're saying correctly, in your opinion it's not western white guilt that is to blame, rather ignorance? Does that make it any more acceptable?

Loz, pls, tell GM this is not about you but having as many opinions resonate here so we can actually react to them.

Back to Cecil. And revisionism.

Any kind of discerning will have a ratio of knowledge/ignorance. Depends on priorities. Revisionism might be just an attempt to re-interpret, I do think it is pretty natural.

I think it's just fashion. At the moment, everything even loosely connected to British imperialism is bad, just by association. Meanwhile, communism is getting a free pass with an entirely new generation of people who wouldn't recognise Stalin or Enver Hoxha if they stood next to him at the bus stop.

Give it another twenty or thirty years and it might be a whole different story. See Confederate statues for illustration.

Oh dear...whatever.

It's an intolerance to any opinion that's not their own and it's always very personal. There's no attempt to engage in debate, just an attempt to shut it down with phrases like 'controversial, red button sources' - whatever the hell that means.

Maybe because "they" are not inclined to recycle and legitimise certain political figures and dogmas? Just one of the (many) potential explanations for which someone is not tempted to engage in certain discussions in a particularly "constructive" way.

Perhaps, though if someone can't engage in a constructive way, then better not to engage at all.

I don't understand what you mean by 'legitimise'. Discussion of any historical event or figure can't be subject to censorship - if it were, then most historians would be out of a job and few history books would exist. And it's the point of this thread, isn't it?

You do realise I never said I liked Castro, but I admired his resolve against the US. I was merely pointing out that I was fortunate to visit Cuba while it was still under Castros rule and that was an opportunity to feel a bit of the historical character of the place, which will change, most likely for the better in the long run now he’s gone. But the other side of that is that like the fall of most communist dictatorships, that those unable to benefit from capitalist progress will end up more destitute.

But you are still trolling Loz so don’t deny it.

I think you and Loz should travel together to North Korea and then report back with your different impressions about it.

Nah, think not, but that made me chuckle!

https://www.lupinetravel.co.uk/north...and-tours.html

Yes.

What are red button sources?

Yes.

Neo-Marxism is all the rage. People show they have a heart but when reality hits nobody knows how to make things operational.

Anyways - it seems to me the left wing is very right and the right wing very left. Communism as I lived it was an extremely right positioned dictatorship, it always heads this way when redistribution of confiscated (stolen) stuff was in question. Stashed away for the chosen hierarchy..

Every country reinterprets the history. Even here.

Red button = hot button (controversial, emotive) AFAIK.


Do you mean that everyone seems to be in a race to the middle?