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I’m not a lawyer and maybe I misunderstood somethings I was told , but this is what I was told by a German lawyer .

The clue is on the page . There is a catalogue of fines, payable if caught and if the police officer feels so inclined . You also pay a fine if you bring in your library book late . It’s what in German they call an Ordnungswidrigkeit . It is enshrined in contractual statutes and bylaws and not in criminal or even civil law.

Factually , any smart lawyer can get you off the hook for paying with some simple tricks . Of course it would cost you more than you save , but that’s not the issue here.
No clue what you are talking about tbh, or what a library where one by contract agreed to pay money when something is returned late has to do with it.

I'll safe us all the links and such.

Ordnungswidrigkeit by law is a small offence and punishable by a fine. (tho punishment is not mandatory and up to the discretion of the officer who sees you doing this)

Also a state cannot give you a fine for something which is not forbidden.

So yes it is forbidden, and every smart lawyer will agree.
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Old 25.01.2020, 17:10
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Re: Pedestrians in Germany-red light

A little bit of civil disobedience puts that " zing " in the day.
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Old 25.01.2020, 17:43
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Re: Pedestrians in Germany-red light

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Have you ever noticed that the German pedestrians rarely walk against a red traffic signal in Germany. At least thats what I have noticed in Konstanz. I was the only one who did it. Felt like I was breaking the law! Here in ZH its the accepted thing to walk againt a red signal.

You live in the big bad city. Here in the sticks people will stand and wait for the light to turn, even when there are no cars around.
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You live in the big bad city. Here in the sticks people will stand and wait for the light to turn, even when there are no cars around.
I thought you lived in CH

Those damned law breaking emus!

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Old 25.01.2020, 18:19
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Re: Pedetrians in Germany-red light

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No clue what you are talking about tbh, or what a library where one by contract agreed to pay money when something is returned late has to do with it.

I'll safe us all the links and such.

Ordnungswidrigkeit by law is a small offence and punishable by a fine. (tho punishment is not mandatory and up to the discretion of the officer who sees you doing this)

Also a state cannot give you a fine for something which is not forbidden.

So yes it is forbidden, and every smart lawyer will agree.
Did you know for example that if you break certain rules of the road while on your bicycle , they can take your driving license away from you, if doing the same thing in a car would also lead to a loss of license . Only if you donít have a driving license you can walk away from the same offensive with a minor fine . And anyway you can immediately do the same thing again seeing you donít need a license to ride a bicycle .

In other words, the law is such a hotch potch
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Old 25.01.2020, 18:48
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I understand the logic behind it is mainly is to set a good example for the children.
Probably. But then you have people waiting for their green light but not pressing the "walk" button. Waking up after a few mins. Will anyone think of the children.
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Did you know for example that if you break certain rules of the road while on your bicycle , they can take your driving license away from you, if doing the same thing in a car would also lead to a loss of license . Only if you donít have a driving license you can walk away from the same offensive with a minor fine . And anyway you can immediately do the same thing again seeing you donít need a license to ride a bicycle .

In other words, the law is such a hotch potch
I don't see the hotch potch part.

Doing offences when participating in traffic can get one points in Flensburg, and to many points can cause a drivers license to be revoked. This even goes for pedestrians. Nothing specific about cyclists or car drivers, it goes for every participant in traffic. The idea is that one lacks a sense of responsibility.
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Old 25.01.2020, 19:43
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Re: Pedestrians in Germany-red light

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Yes could be.

"Where it is dangerous and sensible, every pedestrian waits."
Where it's not, the sensible government did not install a red-light.

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Ordnungswidrigkeit. HaHa. Thats from the last century. They still have not got around to revising it.
They are not planning on it either, no matter how bored they will be. There is a lot we carry on from the last century happily.

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A little bit of civil disobedience puts that " zing " in the day.
That's what the smokers think on a SBB platform.
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Where it's not, the sensible government did not install a red-light.


They are not planning on it either, no matter how bored they will be. There is a lot we carry on from the last century happily.


That's what the smokers think on a SBB platform.
Thats called shitting up the environent with no concern for anyone else. Got nothing whatever to do with crossing at a red light.


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