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Telegraph directed content

About three weeks I decided to make an attempt to read what the other side reads, so I signed up for a free month online with the daily telegraph.
At the start -novelty value -I even contributed a comment or two.
Next few days I am reading content that kinda matches my viewpoint Is this for real? Am I paranoid, or is a robot selecting content for me? So I deliberately start going through the paper deliberately choosing the most vapid fawning articles in praise of Boris.
Bingo, the telegraph reverts to kind. This is more like it. I can read it without being humoured, back into my comfort zone.
How much directed content is there out there?
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Old 14.04.2020, 15:32
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About three weeks I decided to make an attempt to read what the other side reads, so I signed up for a free month online with the daily telegraph.
At the start -novelty value -I even contributed a comment or two.
Next few days I am reading content that kinda matches my viewpoint Is this for real? Am I paranoid, or is a robot selecting content for me? So I deliberately start going through the paper deliberately choosing the most vapid fawning articles in praise of Boris.
Bingo, the telegraph reverts to kind. This is more like it. I can read it without being humoured, back into my comfort zone.
How much directed content is there out there?
Most news outlets (in fact, most websites that monetise their content) are tailored to the user...

Same as adverts, look at a few adverts for a new car, and it all adjusts.

Ghostery + Adblock help, but if you are signed in, then they track you that way.
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Old 14.04.2020, 16:10
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About three weeks I decided to make an attempt to read what the other side reads, so I signed up for a free month online with the daily telegraph.
At the start -novelty value -I even contributed a comment or two.
Next few days I am reading content that kinda matches my viewpoint Is this for real? Am I paranoid, or is a robot selecting content for me? So I deliberately start going through the paper deliberately choosing the most vapid fawning articles in praise of Boris.
Bingo, the telegraph reverts to kind. This is more like it. I can read it without being humoured, back into my comfort zone.
How much directed content is there out there?
This is exactly what Creationists do - they cherry-pick the stuff that they think evolution can't explain and the stuff that creationism could explain and conveniently ignore the rest.

There are some rabidly right-wing articles in the Telegraph, and some absurdly short-sighted ones but then you'll find the opposite in the Guardian. There are more moderate articles in both.

Read both the Guardian and the Telegraph for a balance (and the Mail for laughs).
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I get bored by the guardian, so the telegraph is an attempt to get another point of view. It just seems to have gone downhill. The world is not what is was in the good old days, when there would be some well reasoned right-wing arguments that I could get angry about
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I found the Guardian almost unreadable since it changed editor a while back, but since the Covid crisis took hold its become literally unreadable for me. Its negativity and nihilism are unbearable. The government, it seems, cant do a single thing right. No harm in constructive criticism and the odd rant from columnists but its loathing for even mainstream perspectives is beyond parody. If Id no other perspective on the news i think Id top myself, or at least be perennially depressed.

Online, no paper gives me what I want so I spread myself across the Telegraph, Times, Spectator, New Statesman, New York Times, Die Welt and occasional others. TV is CNN and the BBC mostly.
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Telegraph: all is forgiven:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-un...ng-love-rugby/
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I found the Guardian almost unreadable since it changed editor a while back, but since the Covid crisis took hold its become literally unreadable for me. Its negativity and nihilism are unbearable. The government, it seems, cant do a single thing right. No harm in constructive criticism and the odd rant from columnists but its loathing for even mainstream perspectives is beyond parody. If Id no other perspective on the news i think Id top myself, or at least be perennially depressed.

Online, no paper gives me what I want so I spread myself across the Telegraph, Times, Spectator, New Statesman, New York Times, Die Welt and occasional others. TV is CNN and the BBC mostly.
Agree with the idea of getting a good spread of news from differing sources. The whole Covid thing might open one or two peoples eyes to the bias in the press. I find New Statesman reliable and relatively balanced in the middle of the Daily Mail and Spectator on one end and Guardian to the other. For me, UK govt deserves criticism atm due to failings in reacting early enough (Cheltenham Festival) and PPE running out... Guardian does seem to have far too many articles with critical content for the sake of it atm.
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Re: Telegraph directed content

This struck a chord with me. I've always gone to the Guardian but am often dismayed by how unrealistic it is.. so I have a folder of bookmarks that let me see other outlets. The Mirror is pretty good. The Daily Mail is hysterically funny... I have heard, and believe that it has a fair few Oxbridge writers who knowingly take the p*ss.

Regardless, I think that 'news coverage' is now pretty abysmal. It should be...

"This happened.... and here are the objective, easily proven reasons why" (i.e. the Economist and sometimes the Guardian)

But most outlets' 'stories' are

"This might happen.. " (obviously not news but still takes up 50% of space)
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"This happened... and here are our politically biased reasons why with nothing to back it up"
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Old 19.04.2020, 11:54
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Most news outlets (in fact, most websites that monetise their content) are tailored to the user.
This, absolutely.
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I found the Guardian almost unreadable since it changed editor a while back, but since the Covid crisis took hold it’s become literally unreadable for me.
Dtto. I really agree with this.

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And you are not alone. I actually think give and take 10 years we will all be reading real newspapers again. People are starting to realize that online somewhat free journalism is expensive for them when you think you pay with your data and your opinions only get validated and your bias confirmed.

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Agree with the idea of getting a good spread of news from differing sources. The whole Covid thing might open one or two peoples eyes to the bias in the press.
This, indeed.

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For me, UK govt deserves criticism atm due to failings in reacting early enough...
But when you have this criticism unilaterally spanning across the world, is it productive? All govs were late in one way or another.

They will differ in the conclusions they'll make and how obstructionists the nations will prove to be in learning a lesson and getting ready for the next blow.

PPE is cheap and vax when available will not be so expensive, so let's hope for the best.
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Re: Telegraph directed content

I get The Times and Sunday Times online.

Very pro-Boris and readers' comments are insane. Any mention of climate change or electric vehicles brings out 'Disgusted of Tonbridge Wells' with strident anti-Greta/pro petrol rhetoric.

Still, for 3 levels of Sudoku a day for 5 a month, musn't grumble...
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Old 19.04.2020, 13:05
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... I find New Statesman reliable and relatively balanced in the middle of the Daily Mail and Spectator on one end and Guardian to the other.
I've read 'The Staggers' on and off since I was a student, 40 years ago. But just to be clear, it's very firmly a publication on the left. In fact they share quite a few commentators with the Guardian. I don't mind that -- but I make sure I read the Spectator just as regularly to get some balance. Tip -- both The Spectator and NS produce decent podcasts, the former daily, the latter once or twice a week. The forensic Stephen Bush of the NS is perhaps my favourite journalist even though our politics are different. It's always interesting to see his different behaviour on (for instance) Newsnight or the Marr Show, where he's well-behaved and analytical, and then on the New Stateman podcast where, among friends, he becomes the ruthless attack dog of the left! But I admire his knowledge.

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Regardless, I think that 'news coverage' is now pretty abysmal. It should be... "This happened.... and here are the objective, easily proven reasons why" (i.e. the Economist and sometimes the Guardian)...
Fully agree in principle though sadly, I just don't think the dear old Guardian does that 'objective' thing anymore. I say that with real regret. I see nothing at all wrong with a paper sticking its political flag in the ground and defending it. But I learnt a very long time ago that (in work and family life too, not just politics) if you become blind and deaf to alternative opinion, your own case becomes ever weaker, and people stop listening to you.

Most reasonable people want to see a fair range of opinions represented in a newspaper/online news source, while still allowing them to come out on one side or another. But when almost 100% of articles and opinion pieces are almost 100% sniping at one party in particular, regardless of circumstances, you end up simply not trusting them to be telling you the truth.

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...But when you have this criticism unilaterally spanning across the world, is it productive? All govs were late in one way or another....
My view exactly. I don't want to get into the rights and wrongs here. No doubt we'll have public enquiries spreading from here to eternity once this is over. But this is a truly global pandemic and almost every nation on earth is struggling. The simple obvious fact is that every government everywhere wants to do the best it can by its citizens, and there have been a range of responses because there's been a range of medical and scientific opinion. It's the easiest thing in the world to pick and choose one or two countries for comparison with your own, and declare that we are therefore doing it all wrong -- or doing it right if you choose another 2 or 3 nations.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Everywhere I look on social media I see critics claiming that their government should have acted earlier and listened to the advice. But there really was not much clamour at all until the lockdowns started to be announced. This can easily be shown by going back and reading the papers from a few weeks ago.

A Facebook friend posted a message on Friday saying that he'd been urging the authorities "since the start of March" to follow Italy's lead and lock down before it became essential. But funnily enough, on March 15, he sent me an email complaining that the football match we were due to watch together in London had been postponed, and opining that "the government is probably overreacting" . I didn't want to embarrass him publicly on Facebook but I emailed him privately to remind him. He wrote back, genuinely surprised. And I think that's the problem -- the lockdown is doing weird things to time, and to our memories.
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TV is CNN and the BBC mostly.
CNN doesn't even try and hide its anti Trump bias. I usually watch the daily Whitehouse briefings on CNN and their talking heads are always withering in their contempt for the man. Needless to say I'm no fan either, but I expect news outlets to be balanced. Ditto Fox.
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I get The Times and Sunday Times online.

Very pro-Boris and readers' comments are insane. Any mention of climate change or electric vehicles brings out 'Disgusted of Tonbridge Wells' with strident anti-Greta/pro petrol rhetoric.

Still, for 3 levels of Sudoku a day for 5 a month, musn't grumble...
Beware -- the Times and ST are two distinct papers with different editorial lines, though they do share an owner. Matthew Parris, the star columnist of The Times, has been very critical of Boris Johnson in the past, despite being an ex-Tory MP.

As for comments, yes they are more from the right than the left in The Times though there was a fair split on Brexit, for instance. For rabid right wing comments, the Telegraph and Mail are worst. On the left, you get eaten alive in the Guardian if you say anything perceived as remotely supportive of 'the Tories'.

But I agree about the Times puzzles. Codeword and the crosswords for me, Sodoku for my wife. Helps to keep dementia at bay!

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CNN doesn't even try and hide its anti Trump bias. I usually watch the daily Whitehouse briefings on CNN and their talking heads are always withering in their contempt for the man. Needless to say I'm no fan either, but I expect news outlets to be balanced. Ditto Fox.
The problem here is that Trump takes every opportunity to publicly criticise CNN and essentially accuse them of lying and news management (oh the irony!) It's a truth in life that people tend to behave the way you treat them, and it's no surprise that CNN are not happy with this constant public derision.

Trouble is that Trump has created a self-fulfilling prophecy. He refuses to be interviewed by CNN despite hundreds of requests. And by railing against CNN all the time it's no surprise that leading Republicans simply refuse to accept interview requests. That said, CNN frequently have lesser-known Republican senators and pro-Trump interviewees on their news shows. Frequently. But the highest profile ones apparently won't give CNN interviews.
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I would really appreciate if the networks stopped trying to make the news, but to report it.

Equally I would really appreciate if they gave some though about what they report. The daily whitehouse briefings is a perfect example of what they should be ignoring. They are being used.
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Beware -- the Times and ST are two distinct papers with different editorial lines, though they do share an owner. Matthew Parris, the star columnist of The Times, has been very critical of Boris Johnson in the past, despite being an ex-Tory MP.

As for comments, yes they are more from the right than the left in The Times though there was a fair split on Brexit, for instance. For rabid right wing comments, the Telegraph and Mail are worst. On the left, you get eaten alive in the Guardian if you say anything perceived as remotely supportive of 'the Tories'.

But I agree about the Times puzzles. Codeword and the crosswords for me, Sodoku for my wife. Helps to keep dementia at bay!



The problem here is that Trump takes every opportunity to publicly criticise CNN and essentially accuse them of lying and news management (oh the irony!) It's a truth in life that people tend to behave the way you treat them, and it's no surprise that CNN are not happy with this constant public derision.

Trouble is that Trump has created a self-fulfilling prophecy. He refuses to be interviewed by CNN despite hundreds of requests. And by railing against CNN all the time it's no surprise that leading Republicans simply refuse to accept interview requests. That said, CNN frequently have lesser-known Republican senators and pro-Trump interviewees on their news shows. Frequently. But the highest profile ones apparently won't give CNN interviews.
I don't get FOX so can't comment much, just miss Tucker Carlson, he is quick and funny. CNN is disturbing me with their constantly alarmist tone, I always hated the notion of a certain precut "tone" while disregarding what the actual message is, but CNN tires with their panicky and outragey tone, I think it puts audience in a major funk and unease, it is so dramatic and fear inducive. Except Richard Quest, he is awesome. Used to be BBC. I do not think CNN needs Trump for people to start looking for their remote control, tbh. If they toned it down a knotch, they'd gain a lot more credit.

As per sudoku and puzzles as mental exercise, I wish my brain didn't go blank when looking at that repetitive visual, unfortunately for me I dig through ac papers when I need my mind busy, look for thought development of a particular thinker, it is fun, trace influences and inspirations. Especially if I can comment to him and ask questions. The dry tone is soothing.
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I get The Times and Sunday Times online.

Very pro-Boris and readers' comments are insane. Any mention of climate change or electric vehicles brings out 'Disgusted of Tonbridge Wells' with strident anti-Greta/pro petrol rhetoric.

Still, for 3 levels of Sudoku a day for 5 a month, musn't grumble...
That's funny, I always found the times on the more moderate, Lib Demmy side of the Tory party in terms of its outlook, and the telegraph more on the wing you suggest. I find it as close to a moderate centre ground paper as you can get in this polarised era.
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