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Old 27.07.2020, 14:57
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I don't think a Trabant is modern by any stretch of the definition, and it wasn't even modern when it first came out.
I believe the trabant was a master-stroke of communist marketing! Once you drive a cardboard trabant, the wartburg doesn't seem too bad. While in reality, the wartburg was dismal
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Old 27.07.2020, 14:58
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Lada was the best. But drank the most.

It had a tank appeal..aesthetically speaking.
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Old 27.07.2020, 15:14
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Re: Polarised society:Why?

OP's tinkering with polarization is making me think of something else...


Some polarization (ie. being judgmental) is being seen as necessary - like when people ask you about your stance on say fgm or death penalty or such. And then some polarization is seen as poor taste - like questions about one's sex-appeal or attractiveness. We are supposed to be just one sided or give more leeway or consider that particular person "beautiful". Nobody will discourage their partner by being honest and genuine and most of the time (hello Carnegie) we are requested to not cast our own judgment or share genuine opinion and we prioritize what is socially acceptable.

Maybe the upheaval in polarization, that lack of tolerance for other people's ideas (or even figures of speech) is caused by the fact that we are discouraged to be genuine in the majority of the communication we do?

So...how's everyone doing? Truthfully! I come from a land of no smalltalk (considered ill manners) but the society is not polarized. People also cultivate very bad humor there, maybe that's related.
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Old 27.07.2020, 16:06
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Lada was the best. But drank the most.

It had a tank appeal..aesthetically speaking.
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Old 27.07.2020, 16:09
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Beautiful. And functional.

We had a red one, of course. (Well, we had no choice and the waiting list was 3 years).
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Old 27.07.2020, 16:12
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Well, we had no choice and the waiting list was 3 years).

You were lucky then, in the GDR it was common to apply for a car when your kid was born. It often took at least 15 years to get a new one and used ones were often more expensive than new ones
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Old 27.07.2020, 16:17
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Yeah. Lucky us!
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Old 27.07.2020, 16:26
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Re: Polarised society:Why?

I have a memory as a kid of all the dads in the housing block where we lived were out there "fixing" the cars. All of them. Every Saturday and Sunday. With plenty of beers around. The cars never felt any different before or after being fixed, but the ritual continued religiously every weekend.
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Old 27.07.2020, 16:49
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I have a memory as a kid of all the dads in the housing block where we lived were out there "fixing" the cars. All of them. Every Saturday and Sunday. With plenty of beers around. The cars never felt any different before or after being fixed, but the ritual continued religiously every weekend.
Same here. I love the motor oil smell since then.
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Old 27.07.2020, 19:31
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I have a memory as a kid of all the dads in the housing block where we lived were out there "fixing" the cars. All of them. Every Saturday and Sunday. With plenty of beers around. The cars never felt any different before or after being fixed, but the ritual continued religiously every weekend.
I think it was a good strategy cooked up by our dads.... if they were seen "fixing" the cars, their wives would have said "Oh, he's out fixing the car." If they were seen hanging around, drinking and just having a good time with the boys....imagine....
I'm kidding, truth is they did get things fixed when they could.
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Old 27.07.2020, 19:40
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I think it was a good strategy cooked up by our dads.... if they were seen "fixing" the cars, their wives would have said "Oh, he's out fixing the car." If they were seen hanging around, drinking and just having a good time with the boys....imagine....
I'm kidding, truth is they did get things fixed when they could.
so in other words, the cars were intentionally designed to always need fixing?
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Old 27.07.2020, 19:57
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so in other words, the cars were intentionally designed to always need fixing?
Genius engineering! Can you imagine designing and producing a car for decades that still runs in the millions despite the repairs conducted by armies of semi-sober middle-aged non-tech savvy men?

Reminds me of the following joke:
- what's huge, made from metal and does not kick?


- a compact soviet machine for kicking
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Old 27.07.2020, 22:37
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so in other words, the cars were intentionally designed to always need fixing?
That is a definition of a good machine/motor - it is repearable. Not that it needs maintenance 24/7, if I am making sense. But putting overalls on and getting dirty in motor oil was certainly (sttill is) guys' favorite ritual there.

If one has Lada for 25 years, then it does need a lot of fixin'.

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Old 28.07.2020, 00:32
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I can try to help you out, let's see if I understood it right, Flying K. lemi know.



Hmmm. I think this is soaked in sarcasm. Freud did a lot of work on psychoanalysis, i.e. how to grow up. Carnegie just helped anyone to be liked (which is childish, seeking validation) as that was the only work to do in learning about oneself. As if opposing was a crime and individuals with critical thinking faithful to themselves were a priori bad. To follow Carnegie means to be smooth and liked by everyone so much it gives an individual a ton of power to actually destroy others. Carnegie is a bible that can promote commercialism, people who gain affection gain power, are intolerant of others and hurt them.

This is totally my interpretation of Flying's lil rant there. Not what I actually think about the issue.
You are not too far from what I was meaning...Carnegie are creating men in suits, those greedy men... never enough for them...maneaters...destroying souls in their way for glory, power, wealth...with no care for those around them even stepping on relatives' body...Carnegie is a bit Rockfelerianist, method excuse the scope...EF then we start now a real debate, outside of Trumpism, Brexitism, Vaccinism...that was the idea to back in those ages when human was fighting for freedom...take a breath, think one minute and remember that from the creation of society men was fighting for liberty and that didn't changed in our days, we still fighting for that...
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Are you just using a random sentence generator, or are you actually a robot?

I mean, it's clear that English isn't your native language, but in most such cases there's at least a semblance of meaning behind their posts, whereas yours says absolutely nothing. If people don't get what you mean it's because you don't appear to mean anything at all.

That last bit in particular, highlighted in red, is a masterpiece. Anyone got any idea what language it might have been translated from where it could have made some sense?
That "masterpiece" didn't was translated...it was generated by to much Bulgakov, Gogol, Dostoievski in my book juice...as of languages I speak at the moment 4 language daily, another 3 I can understand partially...still didn't start the most desired, german...I am not bot, robot or any kind of machinery...I am free thinker, and I want to remain that way...never used any drugs and will not suggest anybody to do it...
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Old 28.07.2020, 01:07
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That "masterpiece" didn't was translated...it was generated by to much Bulgakov, Gogol, Dostoievski in my book juice...as of languages I speak at the moment 4 language daily, another 3 I can understand partially...still didn't start the most desired, german...I am not bot, robot or any kind of machinery...I am free thinker, and I want to remain that way...never used any drugs and will not suggest anybody to do it...
I prefer informed thinkers myself, you can have an intelligent conversation with them and gain from the experience as well.
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That "masterpiece" didn't was translated...it was generated by to much Bulgakov, Gogol, Dostoievski in my book juice...as of languages I speak at the moment 4 language daily, another 3 I can understand partially...still didn't start the most desired, german...I am not bot, robot or any kind of machinery...I am free thinker, and I want to remain that way...never used any drugs and will not suggest anybody to do it...
I am trying my best to discern your posts. I studied Russian language and literature back in the day and have read Bulgakov's "Master and Margarita" a few times (in my view...a masterpiece!) as well as Gogol, Dostoyevsky, Turgenov, Pushkin and Akmatova and others.

What is your point exactly?
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Mebbe you share a way of linguistic thinking with FK, but I'm afraid your interpretation makes little more sense to me than the original, apart from highlighting who and what s/he was talking about. Sometimes us Anglo-Saxons like to think literally and are perhaps (I speak for myself) unable to accept such constructions as "Carnegie is used as a bible creating maneaters". I read it as bible-creating, since grammatically, without punctuation, that's how it would work, even if not logically.
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So that's why so many misunderstandings here. Thanks.

Anyways, can't get what this new user is trying to say either.

Carnegie's work used as a bible for creating man-eaters? Hmm.
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Old 28.07.2020, 07:45
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What is your point exactly?
Maybe the Dandy, the Beno and thee Bunty might bring the missing insights...
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nowadays Carnegie is used as a bible creating maneaters(figurative)...
Andrew or Dale?

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