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...take a breath, think one minute and remember that from the creation of society men was fighting for liberty and that didn't changed in our days, we still fighting for that...
Life in the past was nasty, brutish and short and the vast vast majority of people were merely trying to stay alive. "Fighting for freedom" was usually reserved for kings/princes who had a grudge against the neighboring king/prince. Overall, glorifying the past is a sign of not knowing history well enough. The Russian romanticism is just as communism. Everyone needs to go through it when young. But everyone needs to outgrow it when mature.

Mind you, I fondly remember reciting Pushkin in Russian to my Russian expat teacher when i was a kid.
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Life in the past was nasty, brutish and short and the vast vast majority of people were merely trying to stay alive. "Fighting for freedom" was usually reserved for kings/princes who had a grudge against the neighboring king/prince. Overall, glorifying the past is a sign of not knowing history well enough. .
In all fairness (s)he was talking about more recent times like the -80s and 90s which he seems to have liked more...

Some of us have obviously missed the privilege of having a mullet...we just don't get it.
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Old 28.07.2020, 09:23
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In all fairness (s)he was talking about more recent times like the -80s and 90s which he seems to have liked more...

Some of us have obviously missed the privilege of having a mullet...we just don't get it.
He keeps on talking about the 19th century Russian realism of Gogol, the dark and psychedelic Dostoyevski, somehow spicing it up with Carnegie (19th Century), mixing this up with the "state of nature" romanticism of Jean-Jacques Rousseau (18th century) and topping this up with some bizarre glorification of the 20th century 70s. These are all fine ingredients, but served in one dish makes up for a nasty, nasty thing. It all speaks about a confused mind that's still processing and is probably a tad overwhelmed.
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Old 28.07.2020, 09:27
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What is your point exactly?
I’m not convinced he actually knows that himself.
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I think you're being too nice. I think a lot of these people actually believe the rubbish they post and trolling is far from their mind.
Agreed. I have an old acquaintance from college who loves to post conspiracy and/or controversial crap on Facebook. Yesterday, he posted about how Microsoft invented "viruses" so you would have to buy anti-virus software. He stated that Bill Gates was "scum" & was doing the exact same thing with COVID-19.

He is regularly called out for the falsehood in his posts, (sadly there are many who agree with him). Each and every time he is proved wrong, he provides a lame excuse such as "it was satire" or "I was just trying to engage in a discussion from all sides".

I find it nearly impossible to be on social media these days when I read crap like this. I gave up trying to talk sense to people back home in April/May. Given that I'm from Texas, and what is happening there now, I just want to reply to each and every one of them with "I TOLD YOU SO".

Edit: Sorry for taking the topic off of Russian philosophy...
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Old 28.07.2020, 09:59
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Edit: Sorry for taking the topic off of Russian philosophy...
Thank you for that!

Completely random as you mentioned you're from Texas, one of the best brewers around these days is Jester King in Texas. If / when you're back home, make sure to visit them, apparently they also have a fantastic restaurant, which I haven't tried. They're in Austin.
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Thank you for that!

Completely random as you mentioned you're from Texas, one of the best brewers around these days is Jester King in Texas. If / when you're back home, make sure to visit them, apparently they also have a fantastic restaurant, which I haven't tried. They're in Austin.
And thank-you for that.

They were on the list to visit in May. Was flying home for the first time in 7 years. I had so many places in Austin to visit. Don't think I will be going there anytime soon...
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Old 28.07.2020, 12:06
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You are not too far from what I was meaning...Carnegie are creating men in suits, those greedy men... never enough for them...maneaters...destroying souls in their way for glory, power, wealth...with no care for those around them even stepping on relatives' body...Carnegie is a bit Rockfelerianist, method excuse the scope...EF then we start now a real debate, outside of Trumpism, Brexitism, Vaccinism...that was the idea to back in those ages when human was fighting for freedom...take a breath, think one minute and remember that from the creation of society men was fighting for liberty and that didn't changed in our days, we still fighting for that...
Interesting. But do people succeed in this fight for liberty when all energy gets spent on flight/fight reaction? Life may be easier or more comfortable for us in many ways....yet people still create parallel realities to run from oneself, when one realizes how disingenuous and void of integrity and openess lives became. Who really is open, courageous and genuine these days, ready to fight for freedom? Don't tell me we have it, because those I know, don't. Freedom is knowledge of oneself. One will not get to know oneself by silencing ideas that one disagree with, without welcoming them and analyzing them 1st. Polarized society doesn't allow that. Things aren't as polarized here in CH, I am grateful.

Not sure if Carnegie or any other manuals have brought to us something new, maybe having knowledge doesn't mean automatically that we will use it in a wrong way. I wouldn't diss him.
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Old 28.07.2020, 12:26
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Re: Polarised society:Why?

I'll probably be flamed for correcting someone's English, but I'm only trying to be constructive. I've spent years trying to make my own use of language clear and concise, especially to non native-English speakers, and feel that it should be everybody's goal to be better understood by good use of language.

One of the things that makes your so posts difficult to understand is the 'non-standard' English you use. Here's a few examples in the most recent post, most of which, individually, are fairly easy to get past, but just make it hard work to read, and if coupled with other unclear ideas can lead to significant ambiguity :
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I speak at the moment 4 language[s] daily, another 3 I can understand partially...still didn't start the most desired, german...I am not bot, robot or any kind of machinery...I am free thinker, and I want to remain that way...
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never used any drugs and will not suggest anybody to do it...
And here, not sure what the reference to drugs is about, but just like the stuff about being a free thinker, there doesn't seem to be any point to it, nobody's suggesting you use drugs or are not a free thinker, so what are you trying to say when you start talking about those things?
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Old 28.07.2020, 12:52
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Life may be easier or more comfortable for us in many ways....yet people still create parallel realities to run from oneself, when one realizes how disingenuine and void of integrity and openess lives became.
The paradox many fail to see is that the "dis-ingenuity" of modern society is something that could be perceived only by people who are high on the Maslow pyramid. Let me be extreme to get the point across: if one is a medieval farmer in a village in the Alps, one doesn't ask himself these questions; it's all about survival and making sure there's enough grains on the field to get on the table and making sure one doesn't die from lack of heating. Moving quickly to 21st century, probably nobody on EF is struggling to plow enough grains for the winter so we have enough time to think about existential issues. Which leads to the paradox that we dislike the society which allowed us to ask these questions on the first place.
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The paradox many fail to see is that the "dis-ingenuity" of modern society is something that could be perceived only by people who are high on the Maslow pyramid. Let me be extreme to get the point across: if one is a medieval farmer in a village in the Alps, one doesn't ask himself these questions; it's all about survival and making sure there's enough grains on the field to get on the table and making sure one doesn't die from lack of heating. Moving quickly to 21st century, probably nobody on EF is struggling to plow enough grains for the winter so we have enough time to think about existential issues. Which leads to the paradox that we dislike the society which allowed us to ask these questions on the first place.
I agree with that. On the other hand, nobody might be struggling to plow enough grains yet everybody still seems struggling. Look in this thread, half of the posts are hostile against somebody, most of them against Flying. Why? There is no need. Flight or fight, again. Some people feel threatened.

So, there are other struggles - intellectual or spiritual hunger doesn't hurt any less. Striving to find one's identity and integrity. We cannot judge what pain/hunger is actually more noble or worthier than other.
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Re: Polarised society:Why?

Interesting thread Kite.

I think too many like to enambulate bifurcastically on here and in general. It's a humanistic failing essentially and not one that can be remedied, pontifactually or otherwise.

Hopefully someone with a second class or better humanities degree can put us right, but from my perspective, this won't change, certainly not unifracturally, but let's all agree to work synologically to a cromulent solution.
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Interesting thread Kite.

I think too many like to enambulate bifurcastically on here and in general. It's a humanistic failing essentially and not one that can be remedied, pontifactually or otherwise.

Hopefully someone with a second class or better humanities degree can put us right, but from my perspective, this won't change, certainly not unifracturally, but let's all agree to work synologically to a cromulent solution.
I feel as though the capacitantiality of fluxationism may bring up rearwards to the next present.
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Old 28.07.2020, 14:09
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Interesting thread Kite.

I think too many like to enambulate bifurcastically on here and in general. It's a humanistic failing essentially and not one that can be remedied, pontifactually or otherwise.

Hopefully someone with a second class or better humanities degree can put us right, but from my perspective, this won't change, certainly not unifracturally, but let's all agree to work synologically to a cromulent solution.
Is this thread some sort of competition to see who can use the most ‘intelligent’ sounding but totally incomprehensible words they can?

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Interesting. But do people succeed in this fight for liberty when all energy gets spent on flight/fight reaction? Life may be easier or more comfortable for us in many ways....yet people still create parallel realities to run from oneself, when one realizes how disingenuine and void of integrity and openess lives became.
Like this one for example

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...m=Disingenuine
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Is this thread some sort of competition to see who can use the most ‘intelligent’ sounding but totally incomprehensible words they can?
I'm sorry, I picked these terms up during my pHd times - i forget laypeople often struggle to interact at our level.
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I'll probably be flamed for correcting someone's English, but I'm only trying to be constructive. I've spent years trying to make my own use of language clear and concise, especially to non native-English speakers, and feel that it should be everybody's goal to be better understood by good use of language.

One of the things that makes your so posts difficult to understand is the 'non-standard' English you use. Here's a few examples in the most recent post, most of which, individually, are fairly easy to get past, but just make it hard work to read, and if coupled with other unclear ideas can lead to significant ambiguity :
wasn't

too??? not an English expression
for
a, a, a.

And here, not sure what the reference to drugs is about, but just like the stuff about being a free thinker, there doesn't seem to be any point to it, nobody's suggesting you use drugs or are not a free thinker, so what are you trying to say when you start talking about those things?


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And we've said it enough times already, but the moderators are not here to arbitrate on what's correct or not, so don't expect us to jump in just because you say that someone's saying something wrong - we frankly don't have the time, the inclination nor the ability to trawl through all the available data and establish what is "true" and what is not.

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Is this thread some sort of competition to see who can use the most ‘intelligent’ sounding but totally incomprehensible words they can?
Nah, he tries really hard to be funny, but it aint working. let him be, kids need to get exposure to grown-ups to get a chance to develop.
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Nah, he tries really hard to be funny, but it aint working. let him be, kids need to get exposure to grown-ups to get a chance to develop.
Personal abuse. Very grown up.

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I'm sorry, I picked these terms up during my pHd times - i forget laypeople often struggle to interact at our level.
Conversely, it‘s quite easy to hide behind jargon and inaccessible language. Really skilled communicators are understood by a diverse population. Neither do they use language to belittle so called “laypeople”.
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Conversely, it‘s quite easy to hide behind jargon and inaccessible language. Really skilled communicators are understood by a diverse population. Neither do they use language to belittle so called “laypeople”.
I'm sorry you feel that way - the belittlement felt can only be a personal thing though, nobody can make you feel belittled unless you are personally enlittled to begin with.

I'm not really looking to communicate with the laypeople on here though, but the fellow subject matter experts like Gaburko and MusicChick.
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