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Old 28.07.2020, 20:52
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In a way, he's got a point. The US managed to impeach Nixon and Clinton was almost impeached due to his sexual conduct in the office.
Wrong.

Clinton was impeached, Nixon not.

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Old 28.07.2020, 21:26
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Long time lurker here...

Dunno about the philosophical stuff but as a lifelong superhero geek I'd say nowadays lots of "suoerhero" stuff is more interested in the shades of grey inbetween the good and evil: The Boys, Umbrella Academy, Doom Patrol etc. The excellent Chronicle from awhile back. I think there is less polarization if anything.
Because it is closer to truth, innit. In real life there aren't really 100% good or 100% bad people. But I think people still consider your likeable, quasi-normal heros as icons. No?

I don't think polarization is a problem but it is trend pushed by media. Otherwise, there have always been selfrighteous or judgemental people before, if we think about dogma or extremes and opposing poles.

People who don't fall for schematic cliches are also usually more tolerant..or respectful? And grant others their right to think for themselves and have different opinions.
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In my experience, people who actually have PhDs don't brag about it. Maybe a celebration when the hard work is finished but that's about it. Accomplishments and intelligence speak for themselves.

The ones who brag about PhDs are usually the ones who started but never finished.
No, not always. At least I've met, in Real Life, and there are plenty of examples online, people who go on and on about all the fantastic activities in which they are participating, the qualifications they are gaining (including completed PhDs), the mountains they've climbed, the awards they've received, the places to which they're travelling and the marvellous things they're doing while there, the tests they've passed, the hardships they've mastered, and most expecially how marvellous they themselves, or others, think they are.

Yes, I agree with you, though, that accomplishments ought to speak for themselves. Or just be applied in the area for which they were acquired, and that's that.

I admire those experts who remain modest when they contribute their knowledge to the world, be it for a fee because that's how they earn their income, or for free out of kindness, generosity or compassion.

The trumpet-blowing as part of a quest to feel superior, or to prove to others how superfantastically amazing one is, soon begins to sound hollow, and then works paradoxically: the bragger becomes unattractive and, by repelling others, works towards further polarisation.
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Old 28.07.2020, 22:18
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It´s simple, people are pack animals; it boils down to a bunch of monkeys in a tree hating the monkeys in the next tree, or, my tribe Yeah! Your tribe BOOOOO!
The rest is cosmetics.
The US definitely needs more than two parties. It's like watching the same two teams play against each other again and again.
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Old 28.07.2020, 22:47
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I am trying my best to discern your posts. I studied Russian language and literature back in the day and have read Bulgakov's "Master and Margarita" a few times (in my view...a masterpiece!) as well as Gogol, Dostoyevsky, Turgenov, Pushkin and Akmatova and others.

What is your point exactly?
How about Heart of a Dog...discern have Latin root, that has literally meaning sift through...

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I prefer informed thinkers myself, you can have an intelligent conversation with them and gain from the experience as well.
An informed thinker can be Michelin stars chef...he will do Beef Wellington with mushrooms...I don't like mushrooms and meat combination...I am not a Michelin star chef...but I know some information that maybe is to hard for you to digest...

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Andrew or Dale?

Tom
Has Andrew write the books for the "squirrels" of Wall Street and I don't know about?...

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I’m not convinced he actually knows that himself.
Point is to leave space for debate and to not accept straightforward what was served on a plate...

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Old 29.07.2020, 00:07
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Re: Polarised society:Why?

Oh, I think some people just fancy themselves as some romaticised version of an agent provocateur, without whose jabs and stirring the parts of society they [imagine that they] touch would be condemned to a dull and petty existence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_...teur_(personne)

Having once cast themselves in this exciting role, they convince themselves that their provocation is a blessing to the lowly (or at least proof of their own intellectual or moral superiority), and thereby legitimise, in their own minds, all sorts of silly or nasty behaviour, casting it in the name of open discussion.
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Old 29.07.2020, 00:35
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Oh, I think some people just fancy themselves as some romaticised version of an agent provocateur, without whose jabs and stirring the parts of society they [imagine that they] touch would be condemned to a dull and petty existence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_...teur_(personne)

Having once cast themselves in this exciting role, they convince themselves that their provocation is a blessing to the lowly (or at least proof of their own intellectual or moral superiority), and thereby legitimise, in their own minds, all sorts of silly or nasty behaviour, casting it in the name of open discussion.
Yes I provoked people for a multipolar discussion... the question was why the society have to orbit around two parties...pro or contra...why shouldn't be a maybe or let's think...instead of producing antidot just make sure you not producing poison in first place...
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How about Heart of a Dog...discern have Latin root, that has literally meaning sift through...
Yep...Read that too but I think "Master and Margarita" is/was better...

As for "discern" perhaps understand would be the better word choice.

Again, can you state clearly why you reference Russian authors and your point, reference and context regarding your "polarized society" thread?

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Old 29.07.2020, 10:40
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The US definitely needs more than two parties. It's like watching the same two teams play against each other again and again.
For which you need an electoral system that actually gives smaller parties a chance to win some seats .

Bring on proportional representation
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Old 29.07.2020, 10:44
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Unless they got it from a second-rate school.

Same with MS.

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You can get multiple sclerosis at a second rate university ?

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Yes I provoked people for a multipolar discussion... the question was why the society have to orbit around two parties...pro or contra...why shouldn't be a maybe or let's think...instead of producing antidot just make sure you not producing poison in first place...
Quite right! People do not appear to be stochastically magnanimous or exhibit larumal equanimity when talking of such multipolar options.
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Yes I provoked people for a multipolar discussion..
I don't think you provoke. I think people decide to have certain reaction to your ideas. I am glad that it did not discourage you from sharing them. Nobody likes monotonous anything for very long. Our brains are wired to tune it out after a while.
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I don't think you provoke. I think people decide to have certain reaction to your ideas. I am glad that it did not discourage you from sharing them. Nobody likes monotonous anything for very long. Our brains are wired to tune it out after a while.
Absolutely this.

People like to blame dictators, mass murderers and paedophiles for provoking the reactions they get, when in fact it is the people expressing revulsion who are really perpetrating the thought crime here.
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Quite right! People do not appear to be stochastically magnanimous or exhibit larumal equanimity when talking of such multipolar options.
I'm taking these sentences as a piss take, and am therefore having a giggle.
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I'm taking these sentences as a piss take, and am therefore having a giggle.
That's what I would do if I didn't fully understand them, too.
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People like to blame dictators, mass murderers and paedophiles for provoking the reactions they get, when in fact it is the people expressing revulsion who are really perpetrating the thought crime here.
So you consider Flying Kite a thought-dictator.

How polarized of you.
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So you consider Flying Kite a thought-dictator.

How polarized of you.
He is polarising by attempting to depolarize debate. Much like a magneton beam through a wormhole.
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Because it is closer to truth, innit. In real life there aren't really 100% good or 100% bad people. But I think people still consider your likeable, quasi-normal heros as icons. No?

I don't think polarization is a problem but it is trend pushed by media. Otherwise, there have always been selfrighteous or judgemental people before, if we think about dogma or extremes and opposing poles.

People who don't fall for schematic cliches are also usually more tolerant..or respectful? And grant others their right to think for themselves and have different opinions.
Likeable quasi-normal heroes? No, dude. Not "normal", that's the point. What is normal anyway? Do you mean conventional? Conventional can be boring but it can be good too.

What do you mezn by schematic cliches? People are mostly self-righteous and judegmental. It's the default, innit? (I like your accent on here. Funny).
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I don't think you provoke. I think people decide to have certain reaction to your ideas. I am glad that it did not discourage you from sharing them. Nobody likes monotonous anything for very long. Our brains are wired to tune it out after a while.
I'd disagree I think. Provocation can became monotonous. Hehe. Should put that on a mug and give it to my boss.

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Absolutely this.

People like to blame dictators, mass murderers and paedophiles for provoking the reactions they get, when in fact it is the people expressing revulsion who are really perpetrating the thought crime here.
Interesting take fella. I like a thought experiment like this. What if they're right and everyone else is wrong? Thought crime.
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So anyone hypothetically polarizes by voicing an opinion that people hypothetically react to in a pack? Sounds awfully scary and fatiguing. How about always agreeing with anything then? On principle. HM - I agree with you. Disingenuous but unpolarizing. So you'd prefer people to be polarized secretely but voice their support for the way you see the world? That sounds to me as a definition of a dictator or dogma.

How about people a priori expecting nobody to agree with them at the 1st place? Or not making agreeableness a priority. Sounds kinda good. Not to provoke but not basing one's opinion on how well it will fit within expectations of others.
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So anyone hypothetically polarizes by voicing an opinion that people hypothetically react to in a pack? Sounds awfully scary and fatiguing. How about always agreeing with anything then? On principle. HM - I agree with you. Disingenuous but unpolarizing. So you'd prefer people to be polarized secretely but voice their support for the way you see the world? That sounds to me as a definition of a dictator or dogma.

How about people a priori expecting nobody to agree with them at the 1st place? Or not making agreeableness a priority. Sounds kinda good.
Not sure I expressed an opinion either way. I see myself as above this fray, observing.

Makes for interesting viewing, at times.
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