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Is life ultimately a sinking ship?

I thought I would cheer you guys up and share the free but valuable knowledge that life is ultimately a sinking ship This coming from someone who actually has an ok life.

We keep ourselves busy by rotating the tires- Earning 250k a year, buying a goat hut, reproducing, marrying, divorcing, getting fit or fat, love, hate etc. In the end does it all really matter? For the religious types maybe it matters as you are apparently collecting Migros cumulus points for the afterlife

From the richest king to the poorest beggar we all end up having nothing, just ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Our good times and our loved ones all will go. We are all in a game which is rigged with only one outcome!

Ok I better get back to rotating the tires and keeping my ship afloat for now



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Old 21.10.2020, 10:34
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Old 21.10.2020, 10:40
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..Sisyphus happy..
Well, we'll get to nature vs nurture then. Or half full vs half empty. Or must we really imagine something?

What if Sisyphos is your regular modern day gym goer.

Life is as sinking as we make it, I think. Or, the conditions don't define us as opposed to how we actually deal with the conditions.
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Old 21.10.2020, 10:44
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What if Sisyphos is your regular modern day gym goer.

You mean this guy?


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Old 21.10.2020, 10:48
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You mean this guy?


Wonder what he's imagining.

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Old 21.10.2020, 12:05
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For the religious types maybe it matters as you are apparently collecting Migros cumulus points for the afterlife
Maybe to some, but for others the whole point is that you can't earn reward points.

Life is for living now. Even if it is ultimately meaningless, it's better than the alternative.
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Re: Is life ultimately a sinking ship?

I had expected, as a young man, to grow into a wise old sage.


This hasn't happened. I know nothing. As the world accelerates I know even less than before. I'm 82 now, my grandson and granddaughters seem to know more than I do.


Life really is weird, how can it possibly be?????


It seems as if the universe didn't exist until I was born - odd.


Voltaire said, 'It would be no less surprising to be born twice than to be born once'!


Who knows!
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I had expected, as a young man, to grow into a wise old sage.


This hasn't happened. I know nothing. As the world accelerates I know even less than before. I'm 82 now, my grandson and granddaughters seem to know more than I do.


Life really is weird, how can it possibly be?????


It seems as if the universe didn't exist until I was born - odd.


Voltaire said, 'It would be no less surprising to be born twice than to be born once'!


Who knows!

Realizing that you know nothing is actually a sign of wisdom, so you did pretty well.
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Old 21.10.2020, 12:25
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I had expected, as a young man, to grow into a wise old sage.


This hasn't happened. I know nothing. As the world accelerates I know even less than before. I'm 82 now, my grandson and granddaughters seem to know more than I do.
Seem is a good word..Different stuff, different relevance, I am sure they are learning from you!

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It seemed less weird when I was a kid. Which is probably pretty normal.
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Old 21.10.2020, 13:09
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Re: Is life ultimately a sinking ship?

Remind me not to go on a cruise with the OP
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Old 21.10.2020, 13:20
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I thought I would cheer you guys up and share the free but valuable knowledge that life is ultimately a sinking ship This coming from someone who actually has an ok life.

We keep ourselves busy by rotating the tires- Earning 250k a year, buying a goat hut, reproducing, marrying, divorcing, getting fit or fat, love, hate etc. In the end does it all really matter? For the religious types maybe it matters as you are apparently collecting Migros cumulus points for the afterlife

From the richest king to the poorest beggar we all end up having nothing, just ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Our good times and our loved ones all will go. We are all in a game which is rigged with only one outcome!

Ok I better get back to rotating the tires and keeping my ship afloat for now



I like the goat shed idea. W6 (Zone interdit) just showed a fab documentary about broken tiny cabins being reconstructed and used, it is lovely. Progress.
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Old 21.10.2020, 13:33
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We are all in a game which is rigged with only one outcome!
Yes, true. But I'd rather be enjoying while we play the game rather than be a sore loser during the game. In the end it doesn't matter, but in between it does
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Old 21.10.2020, 13:38
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Re: Is life ultimately a sinking ship?

Only if you think that way.

You and everyone around you will deteriorate and die. But that's just one of many inevitabilities that you just can't change.

The trick, I think, is to consider the short term. Enjoy your afternoon. Do whatever you are able to that makes you happy with your evening. Get up tomorrow and savour.. whatever you can.

Of course, you should plan for the long term.. don't overindulge, try to put something in your pension. But don't try to 'strategise' life as a game where the goal is to 'survive as long as possible with as much stuff as possible'... think of it as what you'll do this week that'll put a smile on your face.
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Re: Is life ultimately a sinking ship?

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If you didn't screw up parenthood, that isn't even remotely true. If on the other hand the only meaning of life is chasing the best, money, career or similar bullshit, then yes you probably end up feeling as failure at the end.

Yesterday there came folks from land mines removal agency, looking for donations. Imagine if you contributed to some kid not having legs blasted off / being killed for the crime of running few meters off the path. Imagine if it would be 100 kids. If that isn't fulfilling then I don't know what is.

Generally giving and helping is very fulfilling. Easier done if you have plenty of family/close friends, but not a necessity. Jordan Peterson claims fulfillment can be had from accepting great hard responsibilities, I tend to agree with him.

Those who give more than they receive definitely don't have these kind of concerns as they grow older.
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Old 21.10.2020, 13:50
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Only if you think that way.
This.

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We are all deteorating since baby times, so to wait for it and focus all on preservation is a bit...obsessive. Then we don't get to see the bigger picture.

People who see the bigger picture radiate and charge others with energy. Of course that they could also get really down about the fact that we aren't as fresh as we used to be and have to fight all sorts of adverse conditions.

Crisis is a chance. It feels more true these days than ever. So.

OP - what are you going to do about your ship?
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Old 21.10.2020, 14:03
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Re: Is life ultimately a sinking ship?

We do deteriorate and disappear, and we cannot take anything with us when we go.. but we do leave love behind.
The love lives on after we’re gone.
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OP - what are you going to do about your ship?
Place it inside my bath tub and place that bath tub inside my goat shed
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Old 21.10.2020, 14:16
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Re: Is life ultimately a sinking ship?

I think it helps if you consider your existence in terms of cause and effect. Yes, we might just "return to dust" when we die, but we have the ability to affect the future far long after we're gone... For better or for worse. All is connected.

I'll put a quote here that I've always loved:

“How can a three-pound mass of jelly that you can hold in your palm imagine angels, contemplate the meaning of infinity, and even question its own place in the cosmos? Especially awe inspiring is the fact that any single brain, including yours, is made up of atoms that were forged in the hearts of countless, far-flung stars billions of years ago. These particles drifted for eons and light-years until gravity and change brought them together here, now. These atoms now form a conglomerate- your brain- that can not only ponder the very stars that gave it birth but can also think about its own ability to think and wonder about its own ability to wonder. With the arrival of humans, it has been said, the universe has suddenly become conscious of itself. This, truly, it the greatest mystery of all.”

― V.S. Ramachandran, The Tell-Tale Brain: A Neuroscientist's Quest for What Makes Us Human

Your post also reminds me of a cartoon that I saw the other day...

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If you didn't screw up parenthood, that isn't even remotely true.
Having or not having kids is irrelevant. You still die in the end.
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