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Old 25.01.2021, 17:11
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Had my principle SSD of 4 years fail three days after we went into the first lockdown in March last year. No warnings despite regular self scans, never a crash either. Data recovery has been a PITA, basically impossible.
https://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm
I use this on spinning drives as well as SSDs, both maintenance and recovery.

The drive has to be absolutely borked to not get something back.

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Old 25.01.2021, 18:30
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Was the drive almost full most of the time. Being flash based, the life will depend on the number of write-cycles. Obviously the more full the disk, the more likely it is that the same memory cell will be subjected to more read-write cycles more times than a large disk with much greater spare capacity.

There is a finite number of r/w cycles before failure.
Drive was a 500 Gb with 200 Gb free for most of its life.

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And you didn't back up any of your data on a regular basis?
I did; but the service provider who held the backup only allowed me access a few weeks ago! But I spent the year trying different things to get the data back. Now I got everything back thankfully.

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www.spinrite.com
I use this on spinning drives as well as SSDs, both maintenance and recovery.

The drive has to be absolutely borked to not get something back.
That link seems to be borked for me.
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Old 25.01.2021, 18:49
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That link seems to be borked for me.
Let me fix that for you: https://www.grc.com/spinrite.htm
I thought he had the domain.
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Old 25.01.2021, 19:23
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i can't help wondering if you'd speak to someone face to face in that way.
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Is that compatible with decent cable management as OP asked?
As my wife will tell you - I've no idea what that means.

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that states 800MB/s for raid0.

Get one of these:

https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...0-ssd-10339166

and you're doing 3'300 MB/s with 600k IOPs.
Ooh -nice. Get two of these in a RAID 0 and get ~5500 MB/s.

Get one of these: https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...cards-13904639 and never worry about a game being too slow again. Well, maybe within the next 5 years...
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Old 26.01.2021, 08:38
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I'm very familiar with raid and all these technicalities etc. But I'm fine with how fast the machine boots and runs at the moment and i also don't care about redundancy.
I just wondered if there as a gaming reason for spinning disks these days, most of the machines i see for sale in digitec etc have an SSD boot drive and a spinning disk for bulk storage.. Anyways, I'm only gonna have 2 or 3 games so I'll just go with a bigger SSD.

Just need to decide on a new case today so i can strip it and rebuild it making all the cables tidy!!
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I'm very familiar with raid and all these technicalities etc. But I'm fine with how fast the machine boots and runs at the moment and i also don't care about redundancy.
I just wondered if there as a gaming reason for spinning disks these days, most of the machines i see for sale in digitec etc have an SSD boot drive and a spinning disk for bulk storage.. Anyways, I'm only gonna have 2 or 3 games so I'll just go with a bigger SSD.

Just need to decide on a new case today so i can strip it and rebuild it making all the cables tidy!!
Can you please post your full system specs including all the model name of the motherboard?

I recommend this case, the BeQuiet 500DX. I built a PC with it late last year and it is really good. Fans are quiet and the cable management system is very neat and tidy too https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s1/product...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

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I've just put him on my ignore list. Which will no doubt fill him with glee and feelings that he's won. But don't worry. One day he'll be a bit more grown up.
As my wife will tell you - I've no idea what that means.

Ooh -nice. Get two of these in a RAID 0 and get ~5500 MB/s.

Get one of these: https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...cards-13904639 and never worry about a game being too slow again. Well, maybe within the next 5 years...
You have been on my ignore list for many months, but with how this forums ignore list works it basically just means means that we can choose to click and read posts manually instead of seeing them automatically. It's still better than nothing and I hope you enjoy the feature as much as I do, because I assure you that I couldn't give the slightest toots who has me on it and if you think otherwise then that's just your own insecurity talking. I recommend anyone and everyone to use the feature as liberally as they need to make their forum experience more pleasurable.

Anyway, back on topic, none of this changes the fact that you are giving poor advice to the OP. Game loading times are not generally materially different when using the slowest and fastest SSD's, and RAID 0 would make zero difference on top of that. Example here. https://www.techspot.com/review/2116...-game-loading/

Don't worry, with a bit more reading and research you will update your knowledge get yourself up to speed.

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Old 26.01.2021, 09:14
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Can you please post your full system specs including all the model name of the motherboard?

I recommend this case, the BeQuiet 500DX. I built a PC with it late last year and it is really good. Fans are quiet and the cable management system is very neat and tidy too https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s1/product...E&gclsrc=aw.ds
Here's the basics ..

GPU: Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 580 (8GB)
CPU: Intel Core i7 6700K@4GHz
CPU cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4@3000MHz
Motherboard: ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming (LGA 1151, ATX)
SSD 128gb M.2
PSU: be quiet! Dark Power Pro P10 (550W, 80+ Gold)


I'm thinking possibly this .. Since it has no drive bays in the front..
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Old 26.01.2021, 09:19
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Funny, I was reading every post thinking that I should chime in with some comments about the housing, which had not been touched on until the very last post. Oh well, all I wanted to say is: don't be cheap on the housing. A good unit will make a big different (a lot more than 10 years ago) in insulating against noise, as cooling requirements have sky-rocketed in the last decade, so more fans = more noise. I learnt this the hard way, building PCs for my two teenagers. You probably already know this, as you got a rather quiet power supply.
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Here's the basics ..

GPU: Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 580 (8GB)
CPU: Intel Core i7 6700K@4GHz
CPU cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB DDR4@3000MHz
Motherboard: ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming (LGA 1151, ATX)
SSD 128gb M.2
PSU: be quiet! Dark Power Pro P10 (550W, 80+ Gold)


I'm thinking possibly this .. Since it has no drive bays in the front..
Ok nice, that's a reasonable 1080p gaming PC. Stick in a higher capacity SSD and job done.

The case you linked seems ok, nothing special as it has more limited cooling potential with only 2x 120mm fans. It will do the job though.

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Old 26.01.2021, 09:37
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Just need to decide on a new case today so i can strip it and rebuild it making all the cables tidy!!
I got one of these https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...?tagIds=76-524 (well, an older model), and I'm very happy with it. It is super quiet and great for cable routing. Of course, I may not be as OCD as you.
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Old 26.01.2021, 09:56
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I'm very familiar with raid and all these technicalities etc. But I'm fine with how fast the machine boots and runs at the moment and i also don't care about redundancy.
I just wondered if there as a gaming reason for spinning disks these days, most of the machines i see for sale in digitec etc have an SSD boot drive and a spinning disk for bulk storage.. Anyways, I'm only gonna have 2 or 3 games so I'll just go with a bigger SSD.

Just need to decide on a new case today so i can strip it and rebuild it making all the cables tidy!!
the inclusion of spinning disk is really just for cost reasons. they are still much cheaper per GB than SSD and so one way of saving cost is to have the boot disk on a low capacity SSD but have an extra HDD for capacity. IMO, it's not worth having the spinning disk unless you are really budget constrained.
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Old 26.01.2021, 10:00
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Ooh -nice. Get two of these in a RAID 0 and get ~5500 MB/s.
forget raid0.

for a start the motherboard doesn't have 2 slots so you can't put 2 identical drives in to raid0 it. if you raid0 with a sata SSD you decrease the performance back down to 800MB/S.

raid0 is also generally bad for a home system as you make it much more fragile as you are exposed to 2 drives failing instead of 1.
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Old 26.01.2021, 10:08
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I got one of these https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...?tagIds=76-524 (well, an older model), and I'm very happy with it. It is super quiet and great for cable routing. Of course, I may not be as OCD as you.
Tossed the coin and ordered this one.

Not a very good pic but you can see where I'm coming from on wanting to tidy up the internals..
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Old 26.01.2021, 10:14
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Currently, I use SSD/M.2 for OS/Scratch disk etc and multiple internal 4TB spinning HDs for data storage. The internal spinning 4TB HDs are mirrored to external 4TB spinning HDs for secondary backup.

Important data I have backed up again a third time to external 4TB HDs and keep it off site.

I am in the middle of building my next PC around Ryzen 5950X, but AMD seems to be struggling to meet demand! Waiting patiently for Digitec to bring it back in stock!

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Old 26.01.2021, 10:22
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Currently, I use SSD/M.2 for OS/Scratch disk etc and multiple internal 4GB spinning HDs for data storage. The internal spinning 4 GB HDs are mirrored to external 4GB spinning HDs for secondary backup.

Important data I have backed up again a third time to external 4GB HDs and keep it off site.

I am in the middle of building my next PC around Ryzen 5950X, but AMD seems to be struggling to meet demand! Waiting patiently for Digitec to bring it back in stock!
You must have a lot of 4gb drives
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Old 26.01.2021, 10:30
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raid0 is also generally bad for a home system as you make it much more fragile as you are exposed to 2 drives failing instead of 1.
Absolutely, but in this instance the OP isn't worried about failure. I just mentioned it in response to the post about SSD speed. Of course it only works well if you've the right configuration, and I only did it because I really did need boosted performance for the VM, and it was backup regularly onto an HDD.

Btw - I once worked on a PC for a friend who had a Dell with two RAID 0 HDD. I had to recover the files from backup, having first reset the system to just two separate HDDs. Fortunately, the OS was on its own HDD. Crazy to supply a consumer PC with RAID 0.
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Currently, I use SSD/M.2 for OS/Scratch disk etc and multiple internal 4GB spinning HDs for data storage. The internal spinning 4 GB HDs are mirrored to external 4GB spinning HDs for secondary backup.

Important data I have backed up again a third time to external 4GB HDs and keep it off site.

I am in the middle of building my next PC around Ryzen 5950X, but AMD seems to be struggling to meet demand! Waiting patiently for Digitec to bring it back in stock!
I am waiting on the 5900x. Stock is abysmal of the newer generation of high-end PC components at the moment.

The 5950x is only worth it if you are doing really heavy productivity though, otherwise the 5900x is a much better buy.
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You must have a lot of 4gb drives
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I am waiting on the 5900x. Stock is abysmal of the newer generation of high-end PC components at the moment.

The 5950x is only worth it if you are doing really heavy productivity though, otherwise the 5900x is a much better buy.
Actually I was waiting to see what the next gen of AMD Ryzen Threadrippers (32 cores) would look like My goat counting maxes out all CPU threads, hence 5950X with its extra cores over 5900X was a good compromise for my needs.

The price for 5950X on Digitec keeps fluctuating every 2-3 days from CHF8xx to CHF12xx. I will wait patiently
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Old 26.01.2021, 11:31
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Actually I was waiting to see what the next gen of AMD Ryzen Threadrippers (32 cores) would look like My goat counting maxes out all CPU threads, hence 5950X with its extra cores over 5900X was a good compromise for my needs.

The price for 5950X on Digitec keeps fluctuating every 2-3 days from CHF8xx to CHF12xx. I will wait patiently
The price you are looking at isn't Digitec, it is JacobDE. Unfortunately Digitec now allow 3rd parties to advertise on their site as though it is fricken Ebay, so you have to make sure that you click the Digitec price to see the regular cost.

JacobDE are really taking the **** with their scalper prices and people are complaining about them a lot.

Ironically, a month ago they received a big batch of the 5950's which were in stock for a couple of weeks so you missed a good chance there.
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Tossed the coin and ordered this one.

Not a very good pic but you can see where I'm coming from on wanting to tidy up the internals..
get a case without a window and forget what it looks like inside
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