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I reckon a 3900+ would do the job more than adequately and save you money at the same time. It certainly has way faster multicore performance than a 5800x as it has 50% extra cores. Zen3 is really only a benefit over Zen2 for gaming or things that rely on stronger single core performance.
My work directly benefits from clock speed and core count Not a bad idea what you suggested as a temporary measure, but lack of GPU and PSU is a bummer too. Ideally I wanted 2 x RTX 3080 or 2 x RTX 3090 to go with the new build.

Some meaty projects are on hold so makes sense to be patient. I need to think!!!! Thanks.
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Holy crap... running this RTX3090 and 5800x is pretty much next level gaming and everything is running at 4k 60fps at full details. Witcher 3 modded, Red Dead Redemption 2, Skyrim, Control... they all look so good it almost brings a tear to my eye. RDR2 especially is mind boggling. From now on no more compromises, I am just going to get the best GPU released each generation.

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My work directly benefits from clock speed and core count Not a bad idea what you suggested as a temporary measure, but lack of GPU and PSU is a bummer too. Ideally I wanted 2 x RTX 3080 or 2 x RTX 3090 to go with the new build.

Some meaty projects are on hold so makes sense to be patient. I need to think!!!! Thanks.
Why would you want 2x 3090? Even heavy productivity and scientific work usually doesn't need more than one RTX3090 with 24GB VRAM... and running two of them in MultiGPU would need at least a 1200w PSU. Are you mining?

PS: The RTX3080 doesn't support MultiGPU,

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In case any of you need a GPU today .. Here's a great deal on anibis..
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Why would you want 2x 3090? Even heavy productivity and scientific work usually doesn't need more than one RTX3090 with 24GB VRAM... and running two of them in MultiGPU would need at least a 1200w PSU. Are you mining?

PS: The RTX3080 doesn't support MultiGPU,
I rather not get into what I use it for, prefer keeping my online and offline life separate 2x3090 or 2x3080 type of cards are pretty standard in goat counting industry. My fellow goat herders with bigger clients and budgets easily use 4 cards on TRX40 boards

Even X570 board like this board can handle 3 cards at x8 x8 x8 speed.

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It does for my usage, you are thinking about nvlink stuff which is disabled on it I will be starting with one 3090 or 3080, if things pick up, and I need to scale up then I will add a second card.
Yes, I will need a 1200W to 1600W PSU, depending on what I decide. That was the reason for this other thread.
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Old 14.02.2021, 16:03
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I rather not get into what I use it for, prefer keeping my online and offline life separate 2x3090 or 2x3080 type of cards are pretty standard in goat counting industry. My fellow goat herders with bigger clients and budgets easily use 4 cards on TRX40 boards

Even X570 board like this board can handle 3 cards at x8 x8 x8 speed.

It does for my usage, you are thinking about nvlink stuff which is disabled on it I will be starting with one 3090 or 3080, if things pick up, and I need to scale up then I will add a second card.
Yes, I will need a 1200W to 1600W PSU, depending on what I decide. That was the reason for this other thread.
In that case I am guessing mining, otherwise you wouldn't be so cagey. Anyway whether or not that is the case, considering the terrible impact miners have had on this market and how much energy they are using per miner then I really hope the value or crypto crashes hard so all of the miners end up with a ton of high value GPU's that they can't afford to cover and have to sell to put them back on the market.
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Old 14.02.2021, 21:22
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In that case I am guessing mining, otherwise you wouldn't be so cagey. Anyway whether or not that is the case, considering the terrible impact miners have had on this market and how much energy they are using per miner then I really hope the value or crypto crashes hard so all of the miners end up with a ton of high value GPU's that they can't afford to cover and have to sell to put them back on the market.
I don't get why this is not happening already .. As the algorithms increase in difficulty the older GPUs must become less/non economical to mine on .. Why don't they rotate and become available ..
Even 3-4 year old cards like the 1080 ti are super expensive or unavailable.

My guess is that most mining is done in China and we just don't see that second hand market. Or that mining other alt coins is still viable on the older hardware.

I watched a few vids on youtube where people are mining on 3090s for example and making a couple of bucks daily and being super excited. .. I just don't see the attraction.
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Old 14.02.2021, 22:48
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I don't get why this is not happening already .. As the algorithms increase in difficulty the older GPUs must become less/non economical to mine on .. Why don't they rotate and become available ..
Even 3-4 year old cards like the 1080 ti are super expensive or unavailable.

My guess is that most mining is done in China and we just don't see that second hand market. Or that mining other alt coins is still viable on the older hardware.

I watched a few vids on youtube where people are mining on 3090s for example and making a couple of bucks daily and being super excited. .. I just don't see the attraction.
Answer: greed. It's usually about getting rich quick with minimum effort and at the moment while crypto prices are soaring then mining seems to tick the box for many people and they can sustain buying all of these cards.

Like I said, I really hope the crypto market crashes hard again and puts a stop to this crap.
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Old 18.02.2021, 13:48
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On the subject of crazy prices ..

Storage, SSDs are cheap and plentiful these days.. I'm about to change the old spinning disk to an SSD on one of the kids ancient iMacs .. I thought I'd check out Ricardo and see if they were almost free on there..

No .. They are more expensive to buy second hand on Ricardo than new from Digitec et all..

How do people think they pull out an old 128gb ssd and sell it for more than a brand new 500gb .. And why are people buying them.? Many have bids already higher than new price.

Example a 480gb ssd . . Unknown age but these were released in 2014. 65chf
New equivalent on galaxus 56chf delivered tomorrow.

What am I missing here.
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Just a FYI, this company in DE HAD Ryzen 5900x in stock. Looks like they don't ship to CH, but I thought I would link it in case it helps someone.

Edit- Gone already lol
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Re: Computer builders -- whats the norm these days

Hey Chuff, are you having any USB connectivity/drop out issues on your new build?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16498...b-connectivity

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...th_500_series/
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In case any of you need a GPU today .. Here's a great deal on anibis..
what a joke. the card i sold is now on ricardo with bids for over 4x the price i sold it for
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Well, my system is now fully complete and I am in PC gaming nirvana. I have:
  • Nvidia RTX 3090
  • AMD 5800x
  • 32GB RAM
  • 2TB SSD
I have a 15m HDMI 2.1 cable going through from my bedroom though to my living room and my 65" OLED CX and am now able to play games at up to 4k resolution 120fps on the big screen with a PS5 gamepad connected to my PC via bluetooth. It's pretty damn amazing.

By having the PC in my bedroom under a desk I hear absolutely no noise from it while gaming in my living room and amazingly the PS5 gamepad signal is pretty stable and responsive even from a few metres away through the wall. In peak Summer if I want to game I will run an AC unit in my bedroom while I'm gaming to keep the PC and sleeping environment nice and cool.
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Well, my system is now fully complete and I am in PC gaming nirvana. I have:
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By having the PC in my bedroom under a desk I hear absolutely no noise from it while gaming in my living room and amazingly the PS5 gamepad signal is pretty stable and responsive even from a few metres away through the wall. In peak Summer if I want to game I will run an AC unit in my bedroom while I'm gaming to keep the PC and sleeping environment nice and cool.
Can anybody sleep while you're gaming?
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Digitec got hold of some GPUs. They made the RTX3090s available today for sale at lunchtime, all were gone in a few seconds. I had one in the basket but could not pull the trigger, CHF2400 for a CHF1400 card, I just could not do it!

Plenty of them have wound straight on Tutti.ch etc with additional CHF400-500 markup! Talk about scummy people!

Regarding the AMD USB issues, it is supposedly fixed and the MOBO Bios updates will roll out in April.
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Digitec got hold of some GPUs. They made the RTX3090s available today for sale at lunchtime, all were gone in a few seconds. I had one in the basket but could not pull the trigger, CHF2400 for a CHF1400 card, I just could not do it!

Plenty of them have wound straight on Tutti.ch etc with additional CHF400-500 markup! Talk about scummy people!

Regarding the AMD USB issues, it is supposedly fixed and the MOBO Bios updates will roll out in April.
Yeah, the supply issues will not go away for another year or more im pretty sure of that. The demand is now just too insane and the window of opportunity for buying an RTX 3090 at less than 2000chf has passed.

I'm looking forward to that BIOS update!
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Old 27.03.2021, 13:10
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Digitec got hold of some GPUs. They made the RTX3090s available today for sale at lunchtime, all were gone in a few seconds. I had one in the basket but could not pull the trigger, CHF2400 for a CHF1400 card, I just could not do it!
Can sympathize with your dilemma there.
Kind of wonder what kind of person is willing so fast to pay 1K more for a GPU. Is it really worth it? It's expensive enough at the normal price. Come on it's a graphic card costing more than most PCs. 2400 Sfr is enough to feed a family in Switzerland for at least 2 months.
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Can sympathize with your dilemma there.
Kind of wonder what kind of person is willing so fast to pay 1K more for a GPU. Is it really worth it? It's expensive enough at the normal price. Come on it's a graphic card costing more than most PCs. 2400 Sfr is enough to feed a family in Switzerland for at least 2 months.
Yes because that's of course foremost on our minds as we all buy our luxury goods... how many months a family can be fed.

But yes, it's certainly a ridiculous price by regular gaming graphics card standards. The entire market is messed up.
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I don't get why this is not happening already .. As the algorithms increase in difficulty the older GPUs must become less/non economical to mine on .. Why don't they rotate and become available ..
Even 3-4 year old cards like the 1080 ti are super expensive or unavailable.
The answer is that Ethereum mining (the Dagger-Hashimoto algorithm) is memory-bound (it's basically stochastic reads from a large directed acyclic graph) and pretty much any GPU with 8GB or more will work very well. The 1080 Ti has 11GB and is still a very good card; it's performance is not so far from a 3070. I use both for deep learning - the 1080 Ti can handle larger models, but the 3070 has tensor cores. (The 3090 blows both away - that's a hell of a card.)

In spite of Bitcoin being endlessly mentioned, nobody has mined that with a GPU since 2013. While BTC ASIC manufacturers add somewhat to the pressure on foundries, that's a different economic model - nobody is running bots on TSMC's site in case production capacity is freed with a view to scalping that on Ebay. Foundries are underperforming due to a range of reasons from supply issues (component factories seem to be constantly catching on fire) to big players buying up complete production runs with fistfuls of Benjamins (I'm talking about Apple).

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Like I said, I really hope the crypto market crashes hard again and puts a stop to this crap.
My view is people can do what they want with stuff they buy, but Ethereum doesn't even have to crash to put cards back on the market. All it has to do is stagnate for a while. Mining only makes sense while price is rising faster than difficulty. Difficulty is going through the roof currently[1] and if the price doesn't rise accordingly (it's kind of a bit flat at the moment), miners will soon start shedding capacity.

In July, miners will take a hit anyway because changes to Ethereum (burning of fees) means their income will drop by as much as 30% (they're super pissed-off about that which I'm sure puts a smile on your face). In the timescale of a year or two, Ethereum mining will go away when proof of stake goes live on the main net. Although that's been promised as often as Duke Nukem Forever, it does look like it's coming together now (it's a hard problem in computer science).

Ironically, if you want to drive miners into the dust as soon as possible, you should mine with your 3090 when you're not gaming with it. That will help drive up difficulty and hasten the point at which it becomes economically unviable. I tried it with mine and it was earning over 10 francs a day (underclock the core and overclock the memory - the power draw was about 250 watts). I didn't do it for very long though since the card is just too useful for deep learning and, of course, MSFS 2020...

[1] https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate

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Re: Computer builders -- whats the norm these days

Digitec are doing another GPU sale today (April 9) at 13:00.

https://www.digitec.ch/en/page/radeo...ss-works-19100

They've got 3060, 3070 and the AMD 6800 (but not the 6800XT) and some also-rans. As usual, the pricing is higher than MSRP, but lower than scalping (3070s are hovering around SFr. 700 to SFr 800). Some of the pricing is a bit odd (MSI Gaming X Trio looks wrongly priced since it's the same as the Suprim and higher than the ASUS TUF), but there should be something there for most tastes.

The 6800 is interesting (I gather it's similar to a 3070 but with twice the memory), but I won't be buying one (or anything in today's sale). I've got more than enough GPUs and a ton of CUDA code means I'm locked into Team Green...
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Digitec are doing another GPU sale today (April 9) at 13:00.
What a cluster F that was! Digitec have become really scummy! They posted a price list a few hours in advance, so that buyers could be prepared. Then, when the actual sales started, they increased the prices "DYNAMICALLY"


Anyway I have my PC and I got it all at close to normal price. No thanks to Digitec!
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