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Old 25.01.2021, 12:07
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So I haven't been building PCs for 10-15 years, before that I had a room full of flashing lights and spinning fans.. But mostly UNIX stuff..
Then I switched to Mac and just got rid of it all .. Working from home since March I fancied a game of the brand new unreal tournament so bought a second hand game PC as a little project, I'll use it to remote into work and play the odd game. (90% - 10% split)

The machine I bought is perfectly adequate to play latest games at good frame rates etc but it needs more storage and needs a new case, the cable management is terrible for my OCD.

I have a 128gb nve m.2 ssd .. Do I just stick in a bigger of same?Any reason to get a spinning disk instead? Any cases to avoid or choose? I don't care about RGB and fancy lights, only decent cable management and airflow.

This machine will not store or access anything meaningful, couple of games and Citrix.. So I don't care about backup etc
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Old 25.01.2021, 12:16
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So I haven't been building PCs for 10-15 years, before that I had a room full of flashing lights and spinning fans.. But mostly UNIX stuff..
Then I switched to Mac and just got rid of it all .. Working from home since March I fancied a game of the brand new unreal tournament so bought a second hand game PC as a little project, I'll use it to remote into work and play the odd game. (90% - 10% split)

The machine I bought is perfectly adequate to play latest games at good frame rates etc but it needs more storage and needs a new case, the cable management is terrible for my OCD.

I have a 128gb nve m.2 ssd .. Do I just stick in a bigger of same?Any reason to get a spinning disk instead? Any cases to avoid or choose? I don't care about RGB and fancy lights, only decent cable management and airflow.

This machine will not store or access anything meaningful, couple of games and Citrix.. So I don't care about backup etc
I keep using a laptop from 2012 with the original M1 SSD of 128GB. I'm just curious of when it will die. So far all the stories about SSD failure have not materialized, anyway I do regular backups.

Just checked and 1TB in SSD is between 150-200 CHF. Why not? Out of nerdom I'd go for a bootable PCIe SSD in the range of 250CHF for 1TB but that's overkill for daily tasks.
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Old 25.01.2021, 12:23
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Just checked and 1TB in SSD is between 150-200 CHF. Why not? Out of nerdom I'd go for a bootable PCIe SSD in the range of 250CHF for 1TB but that's overkill for daily tasks.
I recently bought a 1TB SSD for CHF 85.

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Re: Computer builders -- whats the norm these days

If you already have an M2 NVMe SSD, just get a bigger one.


Make sure to confirm your board has M2 NVMe and not M2 SATA (or just check which it has and buy the appropriate drive): https://www.atpinc.com/blog/what-is-...M-key-socket-3


If you don't have two slots, you can use a simple NVMe->PCI-E card and Macrium Reflect (free) to mirror your current OS to the larger disk while expanding the partition. This card is all you need: https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...cards-12859589


I can recommend the ADATA SX8200 Pro drives, they are a good price and great performance. 2TB for 232CHF: https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...0-ssd-12234786


Don't buy spinning disks unless you are planning on breaking the storage confines of a solid state drive.
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I can recommend the ADATA SX8200 Pro drives, they are a good price and great performance. 2TB for 232CHF: https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...0-ssd-12234786
Yeah I have this one too, it's a solid all-rounder.
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Old 25.01.2021, 12:47
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If you already have an M2 NVMe SSD, just get a bigger one.


Make sure to confirm your board has M2 NVMe and not M2 SATA (or just check which it has and buy the appropriate drive): https://www.atpinc.com/blog/what-is-...M-key-socket-3


If you don't have two slots, you can use a simple NVMe->PCI-E card and Macrium Reflect (free) to mirror your current OS to the larger disk while expanding the partition. This card is all you need: https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...cards-12859589


I can recommend the ADATA SX8200 Pro drives, they are a good price and great performance. 2TB for 232CHF: https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...0-ssd-12234786


Don't buy spinning disks unless you are planning on breaking the storage confines of a solid state drive.
Good plan ... Ordered one!
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Old 25.01.2021, 13:49
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Re: Computer builders -- whats the norm these days

Have a look at this:
https://www.delaat.net/rp/2009-2010/...esentation.pdf

Buy a few SSD's (no more than four), and put them in a RAID 0 array (striping). You'll get a nice performance gain. I did a 2 SSD RAID 0 array (via OS; not hardware controller) for hosting an intensive VM. It worked well.

I'd have the OS on one volume and the games on another. Just makes life easier.
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Have a look at this:
https://www.delaat.net/rp/2009-2010/...esentation.pdf

Buy a few SSD's (no more than four), and put them in a RAID 0 array (striping). You'll get a nice performance gain. I did a 2 SSD RAID 0 array (via OS; not hardware controller) for hosting an intensive VM. It worked well.

I'd have the OS on one volume and the games on another. Just makes life easier.
Wow, are you really linking to a paper from 2010 and suggesting 4x SSD in RAID0? Welcome to 2021, where modern SSD's are fast, high capacity and cheap and one is all that's needed for excellent performance.
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Old 25.01.2021, 14:06
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I have a 128gb nve m.2 ssd .. Do I just stick in a bigger of same?Any reason to get a spinning disk instead? Any cases to avoid or choose? I don't care about RGB and fancy lights, only decent cable management and airflow.
just replace it with a bigger ssd. don't bother with spinning rust.

if you survived with 128gb so far, I guess 512gb/1TB will be enough for you and not too expensive.
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Old 25.01.2021, 14:21
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just replace it with a bigger ssd. don't bother with spinning rust.

if you survived with 128gb so far, I guess 512gb/1TB will be enough for you and not too expensive.
I only bought it last week.. Second hand.. Too lazy to scope out all the bits so bought one ready made and will treat it as a little project.

One of the first things is to strip it and put the bits in a new case .. While I'm at it I'll update the storage.

It can be a little boring in my downstairs office all day .. So replacing my purely work MS Surface laptop with a windows machine I can play the odd game on.. I have all my meaningful on Mac, this is just a toy really.

Surface laptop for sale soon in case anybody interested.
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Old 25.01.2021, 14:24
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I keep using a laptop from 2012 with the original M1 SSD of 128GB. I'm just curious of when it will die. So far all the stories about SSD failure have not materialized, anyway I do regular backups.

Just checked and 1TB in SSD is between 150-200 CHF. Why not? Out of nerdom I'd go for a bootable PCIe SSD in the range of 250CHF for 1TB but that's overkill for daily tasks.
Had my principle SSD of 4 years fail three days after we went into the first lockdown in March last year. No warnings despite regular self scans, never a crash either. Data recovery has been a PITA, basically impossible.
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Old 25.01.2021, 15:06
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Had my principle SSD of 4 years fail three days after we went into the first lockdown in March last year. No warnings despite regular self scans, never a crash either. Data recovery has been a PITA, basically impossible.
Was the drive almost full most of the time. Being flash based, the life will depend on the number of write-cycles. Obviously the more full the disk, the more likely it is that the same memory cell will be subjected to more read-write cycles more times than a large disk with much greater spare capacity.

There is a finite number of r/w cycles before failure.
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Had my principle SSD of 4 years fail three days after we went into the first lockdown in March last year. No warnings despite regular self scans, never a crash either. Data recovery has been a PITA, basically impossible.
And you didn't back up any of your data on a regular basis?
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Wow, are you really linking to a paper from 2010 and suggesting 4x SSD in RAID0? Welcome to 2021, where modern SSD's are fast, high capacity and cheap and one is all that's needed for excellent performance.
Yes. I really am. Because the physics hasn't changed much and it's part of my configuration. Try doing some bench tests
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Yes. I really am. Because the physics hasn't changed much and it's part of my configuration. Try doing some bench tests.
I'm glad that you love your 4x SSD in RAID-0-la-2010, but to suggest it to other people is a bit daft because there is absolutely no need for it now that we have fast and high capacity SSD drives with a cheap price per GB. Maybe you're a bit out of touch with how modern tech has progressed in the last decade since that paper was written.
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I'm glad that you love your 4x SSD in RAID-0-la-2010, but to suggest it to other people is a bit daft because there is absolutely no need for it now that we have fast and high capacity SSD drives with a cheap price per GB. Maybe you're a bit out of touch with how modern tech has progressed in the last decade since that paper was written.
Oh dear. Doesn't match your experience or understanding, so once again you have to sneer. Well, I hope it gives you a nice warm glow of self-satisfaction. Just how much cleverer you are than everyone else.

Here's an article from 2019 if you prefer. https://www.enterprisestorageforum.c.../ssd-raid.html It all depends on what you want to do and how much you're prepared to spend.
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I'm glad that you love your 4x SSD in RAID-0-la-2010, but to suggest it to other people is a bit daft because there is absolutely no need for it now that we have fast and high capacity SSD drives with a cheap price per GB. Maybe you're a bit out of touch with how modern tech has progressed in the last decade since that paper was written.
i can't help wondering if you'd speak to someone face to face in that way.

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Oh dear. Doesn't match your experience or understanding, so once again you have to sneer. Well, I hope it gives you a nice warm glow of self-satisfaction. Just how much cleverer you are than everyone else.

Here's an article from 2019 if you prefer. https://www.enterprisestorageforum.c.../ssd-raid.html It all depends on what you want to do and how much you're prepared to spend.
My expertise and understanding is PC hardware... hence why I know a 4x SSD RAID 0 setup is unnecessary for a guy who says his machine "will not store or access anything meaningful, couple of games and Citrix". Plus as I said, it's highly impractical vs a single fast SSD in a home PC. Technology has moved on.
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Oh dear. Doesn't match your experience or understanding, so once again you have to sneer. Well, I hope it gives you a nice warm glow of self-satisfaction. Just how much cleverer you are than everyone else.

Here's an article from 2019 if you prefer. https://www.enterprisestorageforum.c.../ssd-raid.html It all depends on what you want to do and how much you're prepared to spend.
Is that compatible with decent cable management as OP asked?
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Oh dear. Doesn't match your experience or understanding, so once again you have to sneer. Well, I hope it gives you a nice warm glow of self-satisfaction. Just how much cleverer you are than everyone else.

Here's an article from 2019 if you prefer. https://www.enterprisestorageforum.c.../ssd-raid.html It all depends on what you want to do and how much you're prepared to spend.
that states 800MB/s for raid0.

Get one of these:

https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product...0-ssd-10339166

and you're doing 3'300 MB/s with 600k IOPs.
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