https://www.theguardian.com/film/202...male-voice-dub

I don't know what shocks me more, that this happened at all, or that Universal didn't realise that it was a problem

Oh man, I didn't even know she was transgender.

Now, what kind of voice would you use for Caitlyn Jenner? Male or female?

It's not unusual.

"Making changes to characters, their voices and the words they speak when dubbing films and TV shows isn't unusual as a way to make them conform to stereotypes or prejudices in the target markets.

Hollywood's first use of the word "gay" to mean homosexual - by Cary Grant in 1938 comedy Bringing Up Baby - was changed to "mad" for the Italian version.

More recently, gay characters in 1990s Japanese anime series Sailor Moon had their genders swapped for the US through the choice of voice actors and dialogue, meaning same-sex relationships were removed. The uncensored version was finally made available to stream in 2014.

Female characters in shows like Sex and the City and Buffy the Vampire Slayer have been "tamed" by changing their dialogue for countries like Italy and France, according to academics.

However, the German dubbing of 1963 James Bond film From Russia with Love apparently removed sexist and misogynist references in favour of more plot development.

Using a voice actor of a different gender from the character is more common with young male characters, especially in animations - think Bart Simpson, voiced by Nancy Cartwright.

But animations have got in hot water when it comes to people voicing characters of different races. The Simpsons has recast the actors behind some of its black characters, while there was recent controversy when it was revealed that black characters in Disney's Oscar-winning Soul had been dubbed by white actors for some European versions."

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57099395

And we all know that Darth Vader's voice was dubbed in because Lucas didn't think Prowse's voice was suitable.

"Prowse played the physical form of Darth Vader in the original Star Wars trilogy.[26] Prowse spoke the dialogue during filming, but George Lucas wanted a "darker voice" than Prowse's relatively jovial West Country accent, and had James Earl Jones provide a sinister, more stereotypically malevolent voice for the character. Prowse stated he was originally told he would be seen and heard at the end of Return of the Jedi when Vader's mask was removed. Instead, actor Sebastian Shaw was used."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Prowse#Star_Wars

It really looks like it was done on purpose to fit the level of audience acceptance/understanding in Italy. It was supposed to air yesterday, did it? Was there an outrage?

Either Universal employs the most socially unaware people on earth or some smart publicists.

I don’t buy all of these accidents, getting something like a movie out the door requires a lot of bodies and I can’t believe they are all so dumb that none would raise red flags.

Who?

Tom

I think you are right..

OMG! I am trying to figure out how many ways I can be shocked and offended by this issue.

BTW, I saw the movie and I thought it was well done. Good plot, acting, etc.,..

I am not a transphobe but is it wrong that I just thought that the character in question was just a simple old-fashined drag queen? I seriously thought it was a dude the whole time but didn't give it a second thought. I thought that he was a great actor but i guess that I should not have assumed that she was a he and stopped the movie to do my research.

I guess we need to also be offended that they chose a white person to dub a clearly black-persons role. That is a big no in my mind and if I was Italian watching this movie, my blood would boil! I sincerely hope that they are also rectifying this horrible transgression.

What!? I watched the film the other day and had no clue that she was trans! Nothing about the character made me think that she was not cis female. Watching now her voice is a little deep, but still not so much as it’s obvious.

Clip https://youtu.be/nWvYxGzBi3k

Umm, so if "she" is a she, why isn't her identical twin brother also a she?

Tom

Georgie Stone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgie_Stone also has a twin brother. What does that have to do with anything?

If someone who is trans has an identical sibling who is not, then CLEARLY they weren't trans at birth, otherwise their sibling would be as well!

So much for the "they were born that way" dogma.

Tom

Just because twins look identical, does not mean they are actually identical

"Identical twins form from the same egg and get the same genetic material from their parents — but that doesn't mean they're genetically identical by the time they're born.

That's because so-called identical twins pick up genetic mutations in the womb, as their cells weave new strands of DNA and then split into more and more cells. On average, pairs of twins have genomes that differ by an average of 5.2 mutations that occur early in development, according to a new study."

https://www.livescience.com/identica...e-all-dna.html

Negative PR is way better than no PR. I never heard about Ms Cox or that movie before - so it worked.

I suspect she/he was happy to get a role to begin with. I like the folks outraged on her behalf. Dubbing is a whole different compartment in the movie/tv industry. I don't think she was up in her arms for being dubbed in Italian by a male.