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Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

I don't see anything wrong with being strong in knowing how to manipulate some things for your own advantage...
but I do get frequently attacked for it and am told I am a real bitch in and for doing it. Gets me a little desperate here, sigh.

Do you see any good in "manipulation" at all or does it conjure up all things negative in your head ? ...
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Old 01.03.2009, 11:14
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

Are we talking about physical or mental manipulation? Either case, please provide more details.
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Old 01.03.2009, 11:23
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

All of it actually.

I just don't get it. First, we are constantly told you have to know, to learn how to be successful, how to get what you are after, how to get that desired job, that man, that state of mind ... you name it. There are "how to's" for just about anything.
So in fact, it is a kind of "manipulating" around with circumstances, words, looks, the right contacts and bang, it works. I don't mean there is a 100% success rate in everything all the time, but almost...

But then ... oh boy ... the downside of it all !!! Dear me !!!
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Old 01.03.2009, 11:34
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

I have to ask, what do you think about being manipulated yourself? and of the people who try to manipulate you?
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Old 01.03.2009, 11:36
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

I like it
... because I can spot it and then play the game back and sometimes I get caught, there is always someone smarter out there , and then I take my so called sweet revenge. Quite exciting and needs a bit of brain ... !!!


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Old 01.03.2009, 11:47
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I like it
... because I can spot it and then play the game back and sometimes I get caught, there is always someone smarter out there , and then I take my so called sweet revenge. Quite exciting and needs a bit of brain ... !!!

But you want to get them back for doing it to you still.

Other people might not like playing these games, personaly, if I caught someone at it, I just couldn't be bothered with them anymore.
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Old 01.03.2009, 11:54
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

but that is the whole point ... I am not doing it in a bad way ... nor to get even ... nor to prove a point ... nor do I want to be right ...

I use it to move forward, to even push the other person to move forward also ... I honestly think it is a matter of pride, of not being sure of oneself, or jealousy which gets the other party furious ...

I honestly see it as a positive strength because this is how I use, in a good and yes sometimes cheeky way and so what ?!!? ...


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But you want to get them back for doing it to you still.

Other people might not like playing these games, personaly, if I caught someone at it, I just couldn't be bothered with them anymore.
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Old 01.03.2009, 11:59
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

I think a few specific examples would help, Miss Sada. Are you attempting to ensnare innocent bed testers into your boudoir or are you simply trying to find someone to open your jar of pickles?
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Old 01.03.2009, 12:00
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

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I don't see anything wrong with being strong in knowing how to manipulate some things for your own advantage...
To me, in general, that implies corruption, both personal and professional. How much is it "for your own advantage" versus the disadvantage on the other side? what if your goal is actually better for everyone, but your fellow protagonists can't see it?

Your being berated by others for being manipulated might be because they feel they are being manipulated, or find out later something that makes them feel that way. It's always easier to get agreement.

But that's based on my ideas of right and wrong. I hate to lie, for example. Even if I will get into trouble in life or at work by not lying. Doesn't mean I never lie of course .

A mild example: You are in a queue for a train ticket at your local Bahnhof. You "manipulate" your way to the front of the queue by telling everyone you will miss your train. Nobody except you knows if, indeed, you were going to be late for your train.
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Old 01.03.2009, 12:04
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I use it to move forward, to even push the other person to move forward also ... I honestly think it is a matter of pride, of not being sure of oneself, or jealousy which gets the other party furious ...

I honestly see it as a positive strength because this is how I use, in a good and yes sometimes cheeky way and so what ?!!? ...
If everything you're doing is so right, why can't you persuade people to do what you want through regular channels, like talking directly to them, but instead you feel you have to manipulate them? I think you already know people don't like what you're going to be doing.
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Old 01.03.2009, 12:14
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

What about manipulation for Therapeutic purposes ?
Needs quite some skills in a good way. This would be a good example how I see manipulation.
A criminal lawyer digs his way through quite some thick jungles of confusions at times and uses manipulating powers ...

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Old 01.03.2009, 12:29
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

Are you handsome Rusty, I mean a sweet nice guy kinda handsome type of a man ?? ...


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I think a few specific examples would help, Miss Sada. Are you attempting to ensnare innocent bed testers into your boudoir or are you simply trying to find someone to open your jar of pickles?
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

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Do you see any good in "manipulation" at all or does it conjure up all things negative in your head ? ...
I don't see anything wrong with being able to "manipulate"; a priori, it's even a good thing. However, with great power comes great responsibility... so use your powers wisely Ms. Sada...
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

Chess & Poker players ... look at them and what they do, awesome !!!
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

cant you name a example, sada?
in general there is for me no prob with that what you are saying and doing.
everybody is doing that more or less. if my boss has happy day and
i want something, i know how to get the conversation started to
come up with it and get a positive response. nothing to it.
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

are we talking about poker here?
the best-moment in poker is - i love bluffing and esp. showing a very big bluff which comes when you out-bluff the other player, requires quite some manipulation
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Old 01.03.2009, 13:01
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

no, I don't want to use a specific example and then read forever about how I should(n't) have done it ...

I would rather like to find out whether this is generally seen as something rather negative which seems to be the case ...


... even though even at work we come up with strategies on how to get to were we want to get at ... to me it is just a normal "weapon" to make good use of !!!

Advertisement works like this too, but that would be part of a bad example, as most of it are lies.
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the best-moment in poker is - i love bluffing and esp. showing a very big bluff which comes when you out-bluff the other player, requires quite some manipulation
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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

There are two sides to manipulation, social intelligence and machiavellism/narcissism.

There is of course a fine line between the two and this is where you may run into problems and annoy or upset people who feel you benefitted at their expense for your own gratification. That's where you run into problems...

Being socially intelligent would, by definition, mean you are aware of the potential pitfalls and be able to avoid them. So if you are getting a few negative comments perhaps spending time on reflecting and understanding the impact of your actions will help tip the balance over to the intelligent rather than the narcissistic.

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Re: Now, what is wrong with "Manipulation Power" ?

If you are "frequently attacked" for it, then you're most likely doing it wrong.
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