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Old 16.04.2009, 12:03
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Another reason to avoid public transport. No pickpocket can catch me in my Italian rocket.
I agree, classic Fiat 500's are the way forwards

Was in Prague recently and before we went, we read all the horror stories about fake police asking to see your passport and / or driving licence, and then legging it with your ID and wallet as soon as you hand them over - so we were suitable cautious for the full weekend.

As a sort-of Prague aside, I can really recommend a restaurant called U Male Velryby - Little Whale http://www.umalevelryby.cz/

The address in the Lonely Planet guide is wrong, the taxi drivers don't know the address, none of the locals knew how to find it - but the owner & waitress give excellent directions on the phone, and they'll hold the table half an hour when you're running late (in a restaurant with only 6 tables).

It's the sort of place that if I lived in Prague, I'd tell nobody about because I wouldn't want to spoil it - excellent spot if you're just passing through though.
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Old 16.04.2009, 12:05
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Talked to my brother today and found out that my niece was pickpocketed on the train in Barcelona (the guy took stuff out of her backpack). But, there was an undercover cop right there to bust the guy on the spot...awesome!
Couple of weeks back, same old story, had quite a bit of money over 500euro in my wallet (again stupid, back pocket of my pants) and traveling in metro in Barcelona, dead tired and without proper precautions on taking care about such things. Kicking myself till date for it, but I actually invited it on myself. Nevertheless, group of 5 (including a woman) started a bustle when the train arrived till it started from one of the stations, a fat guy bumped on me. And you know the rest ....
Well, my wife kept her calm and we immediately went ahead to the police station located in the Catalunya station itself. We remembered the faces. The police officer there along with the translator listened to our story, went inside brought some pictures of known criminals, we identified, they sent out message to the undercover guys on street.

While we waited for an hour wondering why are we still sitting in the police station, they caught the whole gang and a few others too. We identified the ones whom we surely remembered and they went to jail. Unfortunately the identification parade was kind of scary since they were brought in front of us and we said yes or not. Nothing movie like or "24" like interrogation/identification chambers, where the culprit is unable to see the other side. Was super efficient, although since I lost money, it could not be salvaged out of them. Fortunately, I did not lose any credit cards or other important documents, which thankfully were in another "card wallet" inside my bag.

Both of us were kinda worried about whether other gang members might attack me later on, since they DID see us identifying them. But the police asserted that they do not resort to violence, otherwise they run the risk of being behind bars for very long time. We hoped that it was enough to keep them from stabbing me or something as I was supposed to stay in the city for another few days.

But couple of days later while travelling again on the metro I did find out these undercover chaps looking at the doors for any suspicious activity. I knew them from the police station, and one of them even blinked and smiled seeing me again. Well ... lesson learnt for me.

OP: Sorry to hear about your experience. Misery likes company. So it helps to tell others about the experience ... may be someone else was unfortunate at some point to be in the same situation, and to warn others who could learn from our mistakes.

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Old 16.04.2009, 16:08
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Re: Pickpockets in Prague--don't be stupid like I was!

I was recently on a trip to Norway which most people assume to be very safe and crime free. Wrong! Although I was not personally affected...the whole time I heard stories about how the newly arrived gypsies in oslo have been causing a pickpocketing epidemic. Virtually everyone I met had been caught once or twice.

One woman was on a crowded tram with a handbag.....suddenly it felt a bit light. Thieves managed to cut the bag from the straps and she was left holding only the straps.....
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Old 17.04.2009, 13:26
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My wife has suggested wearing Robert Plant style tight jeans or pants so that nobody can get anything without serious effort, but I'm not too sure about that idea yet.
A friend of ours tried this method, tight jeans were his wardrobe staple, and came out of a mob of child pickpockets in Rome with two of them unable to escape as they got their little hands caught in the pocket of his jeans .

My personal experience of being ripped off was not by a pickpocket but by a guy selling water at an archaeological site in Jordan. He took advantage of my inexperience with Jordanian currency and my lack of attention to detail. I only realised he had short changed me when I was paying for lunch and had less money than I thought I had. The manager of the restaurant told me I should let the tourist police know about this guy as it was bad for their reputation to have tourists getting ripped off in Jordan. I was only short about $5.00 so it wasn't personally earth shattering but thought the tourist police should know this guy was operating on their turf so popped in to see them and report the incident.

Little did I know the tourist police would take this small incident so seriously and before I knew it I was sitting behind the large police desk filling in an official statement describing what happened, when, where and a description of the man. While I was writing my statement, a couple of policemen came in with a "suspect" who looked absolutely terrified. I told them it was not the guy and he rocketed out of there as fast as his legs could take him. I was beginning to think reporting this "crime" may not have been such a good idea but the police were on a roll and were determined to see justice prevail.

Finally, they located someone claiming to be the perp's brother who promptly repaid the debt to me. The police then wanted me to state what "punishment" I wanted bestowed on the "criminal". Their advice was to go with one month in jail. I stated very strongly that I did not want this man to go to jail over $5.00. The police seemed dissappointed with my response and I told them again, very strongly, that the man should not go to jail. I even wrote it in big bold letters on my official statement. The police escorted me to the bus stop where I would pick up the bus back to town, all the way asking if I was sure I didn't want the man punished.

The whole experience was strange and unnerving in the sense that when someone rips you off you feel angry and want some kind of justice. Then here I was in a country where my rights as the "victim" were paramount and that feeling of having his fate in my hands made me feel sick. I'm not sure how I would have felt if my loss was greater, like what had happened to Arizona Ben, but being judge and jury for someone who's personal circumstances you don't know, doesn't feel right.
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Old 17.04.2009, 13:58
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Finally, they located someone claiming to be the perp's brother who promptly repaid the debt to me. The police then wanted me to state what "punishment" I wanted bestowed on the "criminal". Their advice was to go with one month in jail. I stated very strongly that I did not want this man to go to jail over $5.00. The police seemed dissappointed with my response and I told them again, very strongly, that the man should not go to jail. I even wrote it in big bold letters on my official statement. The police escorted me to the bus stop where I would pick up the bus back to town, all the way asking if I was sure I didn't want the man punished.

Oh man I wish I had been in your place. Thats a nifty legal system if we can choose punishment for those who wronged us....no trial no jury.....just the victim
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Old 17.04.2009, 14:11
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Oh man I wish I had been in your place. Thats a nifty legal system if we can choose punishment for those who wronged us....no trial no jury.....just the victim
You are mean ..
Reminds me vaguely of the punishment meted out in Saudi Arabia for murder charges, where the victim's family has the right to decide the punishment....though here the crime is petty compared to murder, of course.

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Oh man I wish I had been in your place. Thats a nifty legal system if we can choose punishment for those who wronged us....no trial no jury.....just the victim
It's not uncommon in that part of the world. Did you hear about the Iranian woman who chose to forgo the blood money (which is normally taken) and instead have acid put into her former suitor's eyes? She got to choose between the money or inflicting the same injury to him after he threw acid in her face. Apparently he was angry she had rejected his marriage proposal.

Now that is taking "an eye for an eye" quite literally.
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Re: Pickpockets in Prague--don't be stupid like I was!

Guys
Don't get too complacent here. I've had a colleague who's wife was pickpocketed in Shopville under Zurich HB, another who only just stopped a pick pocket in Terrase also in Zurich and another who had her purse taken from her bag in Odeon.
In saying that a friend and I joke about handbags that are for Switzerland only and you couldn't use elsewhere - they are fairly large with no fastener! Certainly no good for London.


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One good thing about this experience was that I was so psyched to get back onto home soil in Switzerland, just for the comfort of being in a familiar place.

I've been asking the Swiss people I know if they've ever had anything stolen here and so far only one guy was pickpocketed (money from the front pocket). But, as with everywhere bikes and cameras seem to be common targets for thieves.


I guess being a big, friendly American does kind of put a target on me for those targeting tourists--although with all my travels and living in foreign countries I somehow don't view myself as a typical tourist--that will now change.
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Old 18.04.2009, 15:31
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Re: Pickpockets in Prague--don't be stupid like I was!

Since my original posting I keep hearing more stories about Swiss pickpocket incidents, so guess you just have to have your guard up at all times.

One of my Swiss friends just told me that he had his wallet picked from his jacket (on the back of his chair) at a Zurich McDonalds--by the time he figured it out about twenty minutes later, the thieves had already rung up over 4000 francs at various nearby stores. They too used a distraction, although less obvious than mine...just involving my friend and his colleague in conversation while the pickpocketer managed to grab the wallet.
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Old 18.04.2009, 16:31
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Re: Pickpockets in Prague--don't be stupid like I was!

I've been the victim of pickpocketing and bag stealing too albeit quite a few years ago. I also became quite adept at spotting the "modus operandi" of quite a few organized thief's who working in well dressed pairs used to wander into the jazz bar I worked in.
It's wise to be on guard.
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Old 18.04.2009, 17:53
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Re: Pickpockets in Prague--don't be stupid like I was!

I took a group of 17 people to Prague a few years ago. We were on Tram No. 9 travelling with a tour guide. Suddenly a group of men walked into the tram. The travel guide warned us in German of these suspicious men. The men started calling us Nazis and began touching us. A few tram stops later, they got off without a successful pickpocketing. It was really nerve-wracking.

My all-time favourite wallet for travelling can be hooked through a belt and stuffed inside my pants. It's impossible to carry away unknowingly yet easy to get to. Here's a the link:

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The other tip is, before you go on holiday, send yourself an email to your web-based email account with important details such as Passport and ticket numbers, airline contact numbers, emergency contact numbers etc.
(Including your credit card numbers is not a good idea).
I had my wallet and passport stolen in the plane between ZRH and Warsaw last year. I think it was probably opportunistically taken when it fell out of my jacket pocket.

I was able to get into Poland as my wife happened to have a scan of my passport and emailed it to the customs.

Since then I have a pdf scan of all my cards and key documents, this is then encrypted using AxCrypt and stored on my PC as well as emailed to my parents and my wife too. That way Im pretty sure to be able to access it somehow.

I didnt bother reporting it in Warsaw, as they said it would take hours to get an interpreter. It was fine for the insurance to declare it with the Swiss police on returning.

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Old 18.04.2009, 18:38
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Re: Pickpockets in Prague--don't be stupid like I was!

When I travel, I almost always wear cargo pants, and keep my important stuff in the front lower fastened pockets. That way its harder for a pick pocket to get at (has to have either exceptionally long arms or bend down off-balance), risky as they would generally have to reach to the front and likely catch the victims attention.
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Old 18.04.2009, 18:55
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Re: Pickpockets in Prague--don't be stupid like I was!

I went with the same group to Lissabon two years ago. Someone was wearing cargo pants and had his wallet in one of the lower pockets. The man had his hand over the pocket so no one could get at it. Suddenly, in the tram, someone was shoved and the man lifted his hands to help the person who had lost her balance. In the meantime, a pickpocket took the wallet from the cargo pants, took out the money and gave the man his wallet back before jumping off the train. The money was missing but all credit cards, etc. was still in the wallet.

Needless to say, no one reported the theft.
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So, here is the story of how my wallet was stolen in Prague over Easter weekend. Let me criticize myself first--If I had been smarter it wouldn't have happened. I've traveled to a lot of places over my lifetime and I guess I just have gotten complacent over time (used to carry a money belt instead of a wallet)--well, I will be complacent no more. They got my cash, my credit cards, drivers license and my keys--such a violation--you just feel so angry, embarrased, bitter, etc. Yeah, I know--why were all my things in my wallet? (I'm hitting myself about this now). Thankfully, they didn't get my passport or my B permit.

If just one person avoids having a similar crime happen to them because of this post, then it will have accomplished its purpose. Moral of the story--bad people are out there and stay vigilent. Do not let yourself be distracted like I was.
I totally and utterly sympathise. I too was victim to a thieving git in Prague... unfortunately, they did manage to get our passports, all of our money, travel documents, the lot. What a bloody hassle we had after that.

I was backpacking with a friend, we went to the police station and no-one spoke a word of English, so we left and returned with a chap we'd kind of been hanging out with. He helped us translate but it was the biggest waste of time ever. The police couldn't have been any less interested if they tried.

Next stop was the Embassy. Yet another palava. They asked for £50 each from each of us for new passports. We'd already explained we'd been robbed of everything! So they asked for the telephone numbers of our family and friends in the UK so they could call and ask them to wire the money over! Fortunately we had already paid our accommodation for the week so we had somewhere to sleep. My mum wired over some money to enable us to get new passports and get our asses home but the whole thing took over a week.

We went home with our tales between our legs 1 month earlier than planned (although we but did manage a quick stop off in Amsterdam on the way back! ).

Would I go back to Prague - absolutely. But.... I'd glue my money belt to my inside thigh underneath my jeans!!!
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Old 20.04.2009, 20:41
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Re: Pickpockets in Prague--don't be stupid like I was!

Wow NWClass,

That story sucks, and I'm so sorry they messed up your whole experience...very smart to stop off in Amsterdam for some more happy times on the way back.

Also too bad that the police showed absolutely no interest. Although I don't think the police were going to run out an try to catch the team that got my wallet, at least I lucked out with a Czech woman police officer who spoke English and took a full report and asked all of the appropriate questions. I guess that was about the best I could hope for considering I don't speak their native language.

Part of the the problem with these sorts of crimes is that you really want somebody in authority to care (the police or the embassy), but you know that it is just one of hundreds of similar crimes and ranks very low on their scale of priorities. That being said, I really think these sorts of things cost cities quite a bit in the image/tourism dollars department if the authorities are seen as ambivalent towards petty crime.

Interesting to think that this sort of crime would be considered a felony in many U.S. states...states like California have a three strikes and your out law which means that even relatively small time criminals committing a third felony offense spend 25 years to life in prison. Although I know there are some real stories of over-punishment with this system and it is often overkill, I can see it appealing to victims. Note: I am not suggesting that pickpockets receive 25 years to life. But, I think that part of the problem stopping pickpocketing is that the same people are quickly released after being caught to commit the same crimes. I've heard that in many cities the criminals know that as long as they don't use violence, they will be quickly released due to overcrowded justice systems and overcrowded jails.

To end with a story of "justice being served", we had our car window broken and our stereo stolen at about 3 a.m. outside our house in Arizona. I woke up when the alarm went off, saw the damage, called the police who arrived very quickly. The officer who arrived said he thought he had recovered our stereo already--the police had pulled over two teenagers nearby in a stolen car with multiple neighborhood stereos in the vehicle. We got our stereo back, and the teenagers had to pay full restitution for our losses over the course of the next year if they wanted to satisfy their sentencing. For the next year, we kept on getting $20 checks in the mail from these guys until they had finished paying us off. Due to state victim protection laws, we were also notified whenever they had court dates or were released from prison.
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Re: Pickpockets in Prague--don't be stupid like I was!

Pickpockets are rife in Switzerland as well. Esprit shop in Dietikon under Starbies. My friend was busy chasing a run-away 18 month old, and didnt notice wallet taken from her bag hanging over the back of the pushchair. Apparently this wasnt the first time that has happened in this shop.

So often I have seen mummys with their bags hanging open over the back of the pram, and all sorts leaving their wallets on the table at migros.

A wise old boss of mine once said - never give opportunists a chance.
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Re: Pickpockets in Prague--don't be stupid like I was!

My sympathy to the OP. The only encounter I have had was at the Bear pit in Bern. My girlfriend and I were waiting for the bus to go back to the train station. There was a lady with a stroller (no baby in it might I add) and she was randomly bumping into the frontside of peoples legs. Meanwhile her male partner would walk behind the people being bumped. No one got picked fortunatly.

As much of a pain as it is, I will wear a body wallet under my shirt and jacket. Keeping a few euros in the front pocket for quick pay situations.

As a funny side story, my friend placed an old beat up dummy wallet in his back pocket on a trip to Europe about 10 years ago. He filled it with double edge razor blades and a kind note with a colorful message saying to enjoy the missing fingertips. Somewhere along his trip he was picked!
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