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Old 10.06.2009, 22:06
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Re: Going to prison

When I saw the title of the thread, "Going to Prison" my first thought was, that you were on the way in, and I was curious about the reason.

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Old 10.06.2009, 22:26
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When I saw the title of the thread, "Going to Prison" my first thought was, that you were on the way in, and I was curious about the reason.

Doc.
Good point, Doctor.

Sada, What did you do? Actually, don't tell me.. Just remember, on the first day, find the meanest looking person in there and beat the crap out of them... Also, act as crazy as you possibly can... They are the rules of prison according to HBO's Oz. There are more, but this is a family friendly forum, and Oz was pretty graphic...

Now, Doctor, take me back in time. Manhattan, Indians, 24 dollars... Lets go..
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Old 10.06.2009, 22:42
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Re: Going to prison

My mother's ex husband is 74 years old, 55 years of his life he spend in jail on and off. When my mom met him, he never told her he is "regular crimminal", only oneday a police car stopped in front of my mom's home and asked were her husband is, she told them he is in Botswana for bussiness, meantime he was running away. She also find out he had a different name. He was into the pirimates financial stuff, ge is still in jail in South Africa
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Old 10.06.2009, 22:47
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Ok then I will elaborate a bit more. I was listening to an interview which was on on a local TV station of a man who visits people in prison. Now I myself had my brother go to jail when he was quite young. My father has been a prison ward once. When I worked in Portugal I went visiting people in prison there.

So I was just wondering whether anyone here has ever had any experiences with "prisons".

Natasha, honestly, you complain and throw groans or comments at people whenever it suits you. But your comment here really has no place. You can add an ignore option for anything Sada related and leave me alone, thanks.
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He was into the pirimates financial stuff
I read that wrong the first time. I was quite taken aback... I thought it said he was into primates...

I'm taking it you mean Pyramid schemes, yeah?
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Old 10.06.2009, 22:49
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I read that wrong the first time. I was quite taken aback... I thought it said he was into primates...

I'm taking it you mean Pyramid schemes, yeah?
Funny that, I also read it as primates
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Old 10.06.2009, 22:53
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Re: Going to prison

About 30 years ago I was visiting Bangkok with a friend of mine. I was talking about my forthcoming trip to my grandmother who seemed most interested. A couple of days later she called me and asked whether I could do a friend of her's a favour. Their son had travelled to Thailand, met a girl and had overstayed his visa (that's the abridged version of the story). Anyway, someone had reported him and he ended up in the immigration prison. I was asked whether I would visit him to see of he was ok.

I did visit and it was an eye-opener. There were about 50 people in the rather large cell which, if I remember correctly, was bereft of any furniture. Everyone was sitting on the floor and there was a lavatory in the corner. The friend's son seemed fairly upbeat but there were many other foreigners in there who were in a more sorry state. Many gave me their names and nationalities and asked that I call their embassies to let them know they were in prison. I did call and the reactions ranged from "Oh, ok, thanks for letting us know, we'll get someone down there asap" to "yeah, yeah (yawn), we know, we'll think of sending someone down there when we have a moment". It was all in all a rather unforgettable experience.

The friend's son is now married and has two or three children IIRC...and does not live in Thailand!
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Old 10.06.2009, 23:04
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Re: Going to prison

I suppose prison is not so bad when compared to police detention pending judicial determination in Asia wrt to Snoopy on Bangkok.

This is how it is in my country ( suspect detained on rape / molestation charges - might be disturbing for some - discretion advised ) - police appear to be judge, jury and executioner.

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Old 10.06.2009, 23:58
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I read that wrong the first time. I was quite taken aback... I thought it said he was into primates...

I'm taking it you mean Pyramid schemes, yeah?
I read it as Primates too, and when Maple Leaf wrote Botswana, i thought of elephants and gorillas. Thought it was a funny way of saying it though.
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Old 11.06.2009, 09:29
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When I saw the title of the thread, "Going to Prison" my first thought was, that you were on the way in, and I was curious about the reason.

Doc.

No, I'm not on my way in.

I'm going to join this man and others of his association for a BBQ this weekend.
I might want to ask him if anything has changed since this article came out Report on foreigners in Swiss prisons


Does anyone remember Charles_Colson ?
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I once saw the local men's prison near Mwanza in Tanzania. It was literally a large steep sided concrete pit with a big wooden / barbed wire lid, about 10 metres in diameter and 4 metres deep. My African mate said it was usually standing room only, and of course there was no sanitation or anything like that. You could smell it from space. Every day the inmates would be marched out in a chain gang to work on the roads. Now you understand why the Court in Le Hague is insisting that African genocides must serve their time in African jails.

On a brighter note, Sheik Mousa, the mad, bad post-colonial Malian despot had a terrible jail in the Sahara desert, where he sent dissidents and their families to be tortured and starved. When the revolution came, the jail was busted open, and the poor inmates staggered out, (the few still breathing did anyway). This jail now holds only two inmates, Sheik Mousa and his wife. Apparently they are treated quite well, the Red Cross gets to see them, and occasionally they petition Amnesty International to complain about their conditions / supposedly illegal incarceration, but I don't think anyone's listening.

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Re: Going to prison

I tried one time in Maroondah, my (swiss) other half was being carted off for trespassing at the public hospital there, to which I strongly objected and more or less said, "well if he goes I go" but the cop just laughed at me.
I've also visited peep's in the ausschafunggs gefangnis at the airport..... all you who said that swiss prisons are easy or comfy or that people are dying to get into em, quite frankly are talking through their hats (was goona say @rses but that would be rude).
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Re: Going to prison

Not to mention my poor old step dad who did 6 years for a truck accident, all sympathies to the people who lost loved ones in the accident but I thought it was still a bit steep really, I mean, there was no evidence of drugs or alcohol, or any concrete evidence on whether he or the co-driver where behind the wheel at the time. Taught him a lesson though.
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Re: Going to prison

A guy I knew in school spent around 9 months in a prison for taking and dealing drugs. As soon as he got in, he decided to turn his life around (as much as he could) and studied like crazy. He got into uni as soon as he got out, and will soon finish his Master (I stopped at my Bachelor because the faculty didn't interest me anymore) with one of the highest general averages the school's ever had. It was fascinating to see the work ethic of someone who had truly hit rock bottom. Failure just wasn't an option. I wish I had a gotten a kick in the @ss like that once in my life. The weird thing is, he would almost never be in town during the weekend and did all his homework during the week. When I asked why, I found out that he flew out to Amsterdam every time to indulge his addictions in a legal way. Crazy.

Another guy that I met through a friend went to jail for robbery. He got a pretty high sentence, but prisons in Geneva were (and still are) overcrowded so he was let out pretty quickly. I didn't really like his attitude towards the whole thing at the time (he saw his time in prison as "making friends", and the bureaucracy and lack of resources in Genevan prisons being completely impotent to keep people like him inside), but to his credit I heard that he has also turned his life around recently. So good on him.
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Re: Going to prison

There is a prision in menzington, zug. Go visit.
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Re: Going to prison

For some people doing or having done some time in prison seems to have had an incredible impact for the good, as some have mentionned here in their posts.
When my brother got married, he presented me to the men who have believed in him and helped him along in his professional carrier for years, which of course also pretty much shaped his outlook on life in general.

These same men then appointed my brother to a post which gives difficult to handle kids the opportunity to learn a profession. He sometimes tells me, I just so know what goes through their heads at times and how they feel.

A few weeks back, while driving, a Swiss French Radiostation I listened to, had an Irish man from Northern Ireland on, talking about his ideologies which he fought for and which got him into prison.
I do wonder sometimes though, whether it really does prevent young people from going down the same trail as some of their forerunners, when they are also listening to such stories, as there seems to be just always a reason or something to fight over. To pick up arms and kill and get into a never ending viscious cercle.
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Old 11.06.2009, 16:08
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Re: Going to prison

My friend's step dad received the death sentence for drug trafficking in Singapore - a country with one of the harshest penalties for that crime.

It was a horrible thing to go through - the prison hangs the criminals every Friday at 6am, bodies will be sent to their families by 630am to prepare for the funeral. I went to his funeral and it was a closed casket except for his face. I could see the marks on his neck.

Have also visited the prison in Singapore twice - once as a teen (one of those "visit-prison-and-get-the-shite-scared-out-of-you-and-avoid-the-juvenile-deliquent-route" programs) and and once with my ex-boss to interview a client.

Caning is also practiced in Singapore (the cane is about 1.5m long and 5cm thick) and we visited the room where the criminals are taken o be canned. The prison wardens demonstrated on a dummy and needless to say, the program worked. I was scared shitless.
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Re: Going to prison

I have not been in in prison nor I want to ever go, unless it is to help somebody. After revolution we had massive reading lists to catch up with illegal literature and a lot of it was produced in communist prisons or the writers were imprisoned for a long time in inhuman conditions and wrote about it, still gives me goosbumps.

One of my favorite poets was sentenced for 13 years in 50s for being catholic, while his all family was poisoned. It was a way of commies putting pressure on the prisoners to start talking. Or they would not imprison the incriminated disident but his whole family and friends instead, to make him talk. Women who were dangerous to the commie regime were often "imprisoned" in STD clinics for allegedly carrying "imperialist" diseases, like clap, or whatever..The people who left for freedom were saved but their dear ones left back home probably had to pay for it.

Whoever in power uses prisons unjustly for their own political benefit is the lowest person on earth.
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The dog in my avatar might visit prisons with me to provide 'fur therapy' if she turns out not to have the right stuff to become a Seeing-Eye Dog and we both can be trained for that sort of 'work' as a Social Dog team.

Methinks she prefers visiting homes for the aged though - they drop more cake crumbs.
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Re: Going to prison

A big thanks to all of you who have shared their experiences on this thread. Some of it is quite tough and I'm sure plenty hasn't been said ...
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