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Even in Quran, God refers to himself as WE, plural...

In my country anyone and everyone, refers to one's self as WE

In some Eastern societies Plural in a address is a mark of respect and authority

Elohim is not a grammatical form of "we". It is the plural name of God. It is the third word that appears in the Hebrew text of Genesis.

In regards to the Oneness of God. There is only one true God. There is only one Godhead. In Scripture, we see 3 personalities in the Godhead, each with particular attributes: The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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I think Phos and Dervaish should join forces and do battle against the evolutionists on the other thread... proving that what unites them far exceeds what divides them
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It's related because the instigator of it, Karzai, the Afghan President, brought it in to appease the Shia sect of Islam in his country to the upcoming elections. In their very conservative approach this is what they wanted.

you make me laugh on your logic

loooooool
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The reason genealogies are included at all is that it's vitally important to Christianity that the Son of God became human, not some human-shaped alien. Fully God, fully human.
So that mean Jesus was a Human God (fully God and fully human) right? By the way it's a interesting idea of being human and as well as god at the same time. Why will a supreme form will take a lower form to teach humans the right path. If a TV is broken i don't need to become a TV to repair it. Instead i will write down a manual for repair and teach a technician how to solve it.
This TV is a normal man, the technician is the phophet of God (similar to christianity as well except Jesus) and the creator is The Almighty.
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you make me laugh on your logic

loooooool
I'm sure the women of Afghanistan find it just as hilarious as they starve to death.
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Old 26.08.2009, 16:41
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Elohim is not a grammatical form of "we". It is the plural name of God. It is the third word that appears in the Hebrew text of Genesis.

In regards to the Oneness of God. There is only one true God. There is only one Godhead. In Scripture, we see 3 personalities in the Godhead, each with particular attributes: The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

seems like mutation problem with god

btw

hindu god have three heads also

inspired by them ?
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The reason genealogies are included at all is that it's vitally important to Christianity that the Son of God became human, not some human-shaped alien. Fully God, fully human.

The reason there are two of them, and that they differ, is that he had two earthly parents (one genetically, and her husband who raised him.) Humans would have counted Jesus - did count him, during his life - as Joseph's son, and Joseph was of the line of David, which mattered for the fulfillment of various prophecies. So Matthew records Joseph's descent from David, acknowledging the virgin birth by finishing up with Joseph as "the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus."

Jesus was not genetically Joseph's son at all though, and so Luke, when he wants to give a patrilineal genealogy, has to start from Jesus's first male ancestor: Mary's father, Eli. And from there he takes it all the way back to Adam (the point is to substantiate the "fully human" bit, remember?) instead of stopping with David as Matthew's account does.

There are other explanations advanced, e.g. that both accounts are of Joseph's genealogy, one by blood and one by adoption, but this is the most straightforward.

(I daresay the whole thing does look a bit fiddly to anyone who doesn't believe it - all religions do once you get into the details - but that's the explanation, if you're interested.)
But then Bible also calls Children of Israel, Children of God

And also Adam being Son of God and few others.

So Jesus does not seem to be exclusively the Son of God?!
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Old 26.08.2009, 16:42
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I'm sure the women of Afghanistan find it just as hilarious as they starve to death.
as a muslim i was also laughing on him

its no related to ISLAM its political maybe

but the way you tried to link it to islam was hilarious
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I think Phos and Dervaish should join forces and do battle against the evolutionists on the other thread... proving that what unites them far exceeds what divides them
Im up for any discussion
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So that mean Jesus was a Human God (fully God and fully human) right? By the way it's a interesting idea of being human and as well as god at the same time. Why will a supreme form will take a lower form to teach humans the right path. If a TV is broken i don't need to become a TV to repair it. Instead i will write down a manual for repair and teach a technician how to solve it.
This TV is a normal man, the technician is the phophet of God (similar to christianity as well except Jesus) and the creator is The Almighty.

That would be the act of an indifferent God. Our God came down to our own level to demonstrate his love for us. He did not stand far away indifferently.

We were made in God's image.
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Old 26.08.2009, 16:47
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But then Bible also calls Children of Israel, Children of God

And also Adam being Son of God and few others.

So Jesus does not seem to be exclusively the Son of God?!

another contradiction!!

some one need to write another version of bible

no one answered me so far, how many versions we have so far
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That would be the act of an indifferent God. Our God came down to our own level to demonstrate his love for us. He did not stand far away indifferently.

We were made in God's image.
Why didn't he do come down earlier then. Why not Moses was called Son of God or any other prophet for that matter?
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as a muslim i was also laughing on him

its no related to ISLAM its political maybe

but the way you tried to link it to islam was hilarious
I was just going off the TV reports linking it. Here ABC news http://abcnews.go.com/International/...8327666&page=1 describes it:

"the final language requires Shiite women to give their husband "their sharia rights" when it comes to sex, a reference to Islamic law. And it allows women to leave their own homes "according to local customs."
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Old 26.08.2009, 16:49
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So that mean Jesus was a Human God (fully God and fully human) right? By the way it's a interesting idea of being human and as well as god at the same time. Why will a supreme form will take a lower form to teach humans the right path. If a TV is broken i don't need to become a TV to repair it. Instead i will write down a manual for repair and teach a technician how to solve it.
This TV is a normal man, the technician is the phophet of God (similar to christianity as well except Jesus) and the creator is The Almighty.
But that's just it - he didn't come "to teach humans the right path." He came to die for our redemption.

Not saying you have to believe it - but just explaining what Christianity actually is about. A lot of people think of Jesus as a prophet, a good example or a wise teacher, and they miss the point.
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Mutations always cause Negative effects, nothingpositive or long lasting STILL mutations do not bring abut change in SPECIES... i.e. dog wil still be a dog, mutation will not turn it into a cat.
Still as wrong as it gets. But the bigger the organism the slower the change.
But mutation is only negative in about 70-80% of cases, mind you, mutation happens all the time with all cells, and is mostly being repaired again.
But the case of pig flu should have demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that simple organisms like a virus does indeed change over a relatively short amount of time, and since a virus has a very short life span these changes get inherited of course.
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That would be the act of an indifferent God. Our God came down to our own level to demonstrate his love for us. He did not stand far away indifferently.

We were made in God's image.

he came down and some one tried to kill the god, and then they beat the god with hunters and all the crap on the street and put him on cross... bla bla

i mean do writer have any sense

popocorns, it is getting boring
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But then Bible also calls Children of Israel, Children of God

And also Adam being Son of God and few others.

So Jesus does not seem to be exclusively the Son of God?!

We are also Sons of God through adoption.

The concept of Father and Son is a bit like the concept of inheritance in Object-Oriented Programming. Jesus, the Son of God, has the attributes of God. The Father is the root archetype, and the sons are instances.

This is also demonstrated in Aristotlean thought in the form of classifcations. For example, a bird is an animal with feathers and wings that fly. A dove belongs in the classifcation of birds. In the hierarchy of classification, a dove is the son of the bird class.
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But that's just it - he didn't come "to teach humans the right path." He came to die for our redemption.

Not saying you have to believe it - but just explaining what Christianity actually is about. A lot of people think of Jesus as a prophet, a good example or a wise teacher, and they miss the point.
Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin. (Bible, Deuteronomy 24:16, NIV)

What's the redemption for then? Everybody has to carry his own sin and nobody can take somebody's sin. The original sin was Adam's and not his childrens.
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he came down and some one tried to kill the god, and then they beat the god with hunters and all the crap on the street and put him on cross... bla bla

i mean do writer have any sense

popocorns, it is getting boring

Well at least you admit you don't understand the mystery.

Do you yet see that we Christians believe a different God you believe in?
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We are also Sons of God through adoption.

The concept of Father and Son is a bit like the concept of inheritance in Object-Oriented Programming. Jesus, the Son of God, has the attributes of God. The Father is the root archetype, and the sons are instances.

This is also demonstrated in Aristotlean thought in the form of classifcations. For example, a bird is an animal with feathers and wings that fly. A dove belongs in the classifcation of birds. In the hierarchy of classification, a dove is the son of the bird class.

thanks man you proving Quran rite

bec it is in quran and mentioned in it

God breathed something of His own spirit into man
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